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War Eternal...(Will our unwillingness to wage total war lead to eternal bloodshed?)
American Spectator ^ | 8/17/2006 | Christopher Orlet

Posted on 08/17/2006 8:00:55 AM PDT by IrishMike

The noted contrarian Christopher Hitchens is fond of saying that heat is not the antithesis of light, but rather the source of it. Therefore when you want to shed light on a subject one should debate it hotly. That's exactly what John Podhoretz has been trying to do since his July 25th New York Post column -- titled "Too Nice to Win? Israel's Dilemma -- appeared. Specifically, the author asks whether the West hasn't become too nice to protect its own interests.

What, asks Podhoretz, "if liberal democracies have now evolved to a point where they can no longer wage war effectively because they have achieved a level of humanitarian concern for others that dwarfs any really cold-eyed pursuit of their own national interests?" His references were to the recent outcry over civilian deaths in southern Lebanon, and the continuing insurgency in Iraq, and how that reaction compared to, say, the relative indifference over civilian deaths in World War II.............................. But some have argued that the West has gone too far in its humanitarian concerns. Is it any more virtuous to stand idly by -- as the West did in Bosnia and Rwanda -- and do nothing during a genocide? Where is the virtue in allowing Hezbollah time to regroup and rearm? Perhaps the debate should be whether the West is becoming too nice or too wimpy? "We are perceived," writes pundit John Derbyshire, "as a soft and foolish nation, that squanders its victories and permits its mighty military to be held to standoff by teenagers with homemade bombs..."

The alternative, of course, is to adopt the "total war strategy" of the enemy, and while conservatives resist the moral equivalancy of the left, they too are unwilling to "squander our moral progress" by employing such measures.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; alqaeda; alqaida; bush; crushislam; election; elections; iran; iraq; islam; islamisadeathcult; islamisevil; israel; jihad; labanon; muslim; muslims; syria; terror; terrorism; terrorists; trop; war; waronterror; wot

1 posted on 08/17/2006 8:00:57 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

Handicapped By Our Values?

By John E. Carey
The Washington Times
August 16, 2006

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Our Declaration of Independence separates us from terrorists.

We Americans believe that man, in fact all mankind, has an expectation, a right, to life. We believe this is an “unalienable right,” in fact a sacred right not granted by man but by a higher power, our Creator and incapable of repudiation.

The right to life cannot be taken by another man.The terrorists don’t believe we, or any man, apparently, has an expectation to life. The terrorist have shown that they can commit, intend to commit and are committed to intentional, indiscriminate killing of innocent strangers.

What greater disparity could there be in the beliefs between the terrorists and ourselves?Americans see themselves as men with rights “endowed by their Creator.”Terrorists see America as “the Great Satan.”

There is a gap, in fact an abyss, in values and moral mindset between America and the terrorists.

What makes this so devious, so desperately troubling, is this. A part of the terrorist movement has, will have or wants to have nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction (WMD).The actions of the terrorists to date tell us that they are released from our inhibitions to kill indiscrimately by using nuclear weapons and other WMD.

And the terrorists are being encouraged, fueled and even driven toward the use of WMD by the likes of Iranian President Ahmadinejad, various imams, mosques, madras’s, political activists and others. In fact, throughout Pakistan and other Moslem nations, terror has superseded a religion.

This means, for the terrorists, all treaties, all normal forms of the so called “laws of war,” and all the normal underpinnings of negotiation are off the table.We need to think very carefully about what this means for the United States and the Western World and where we go from here.

The terrorists are:

--Using liquid explosives carried aboard in hand luggage in their planning to destroy hundreds of passengers in airliners. This since 1995, and it continues.

--Using aircraft as weapons (9-11) and bombing trains and buses (Britain’s 7-7 and Madrid).

--Using Katyusha rockets to bombard Haifa and other targets in Israel. These unguided rockets are intentionally and indiscriminately killing innocent civilians. Close to 4,000 of these used to date; with 250 fired into Israel on Sunday within 24 hours of a UN “cease fire.”

To put this in a nutshell, Israel, has been using a conventional military force bound by restrictions on the indiscriminate killing of civilians, to find and kill people lobbing unguided rockets into their civilian population with no restrictions on their use of indiscriminate killing; a kind of asymmetric warfare of the most heinous sort.

The UN and the media view the opposing forces through one single prism of values: both are brother nations of the world. In fact, there seems to be a media bias toward Hezbollah (not a nation at all). And Kofi Annan wasted no time in saying Israel “intentionally” killed UN observers during the conflict.

The terrorists, media and the UN tend to handcuff the west within its own values even more, while the other side feels empowered.

Reuters news service participated in the chicanery last week by publishing doctored photos detrimental to Israel. And the screaming rhetoric of Aljazeera reminds us that the other side doesn’t play by the same rules as the west – freedom of the press without checks and balances.

In a story in the Los Angeles Times by Ashraf Khalil on August 1, Khalil detailed how the Israelis are also phoning innocent civilians on the civilians’ cell phones to warn them of impending danger due to military action. Israel also used a radio station to warn civilians in Lebanon of impending danger: in Arabic.

Israel dropped leaflets to warn civilians. Israel moved humanitarian care and caution in war to a new level.

No other nation, in the history of man, ever went to such great lengths in war to warn innocent civilians. And this in the face of an enemy, Hezbollah, who elected to hide behind those very civilians.

--On August 10, former Israeli Prime Minister Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu told reporters that Iran’s President Ahmadinejad is working on nuclear weapons and “eventually after crying wolf, you face the wolf, and this wolf has nuclear teeth, and it will bite, of that I’m sure.”

This is the same President Ahmadinejad that appeared on “60 Minutes” August 13, claiming that the UN was only serving US needs; said last autumn that the Jewish state had to be wiped off the face of the earth; is defying the United Nations while he does nuclear research that most experts believe is intended to make a nuclear bomb. This is the same President Ahmadinejad that is arming Hezbollah and developing his own long range ballistic missiles.

A few days ago, Mr. Bernard Lewis, professor emeritus at Princeton, wrote in the Wall Street Journal, “During the Cold War, both sides possessed weapons of mass destruction, but neither side used them, deterred by what was known as MAD, mutual assured destruction. Similar constraints have no doubt prevented their use in the confrontation between India and Pakistan.”

The question now is this: are terrorists deterred by their own potential destruction, when they already act as suicide bombers?

Stated clearer, once one is released from the belief in life, as stated in our Declaration of Independence, how may he be effectively confronted and countered?

What binds the terrorists we face today together is the religion of the intentional, indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians. No true religion can underwrite this thinking.

There is a great religion sitting quietly on the sidelines here: the religion of Islam. If this is a God centered religion, people who follow the teachings of this great faith need to distance themselves now and forever from the terrorists who are people who underwrite indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians.

What binds us, the Western democracies, together, first and foremost, is the belief that all men have a right to life.

As so eloquently stated in the U.S. Declaration of Independence, all mankind are “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

From the terrorist perspective, terror-war is the waging of war against democracies and life. It is meant to cause death, suffering and anguish among masses of civilian populations in pursuit of political gain.

Given the chasm in values between mass killers and people firmly adhering to the right to life (and a lot of other rights), it seems the Patriot Act, NSA eavesdropping and restrictions on liquids aboard aircraft are minor indeed.

This conundrum of belief between terrorism and America, in fact, the west, must consequently alter the way we view and wage this war on terror in the future.

Before Iran has a nuclear weapon, we might rethink our values and moral restrictions.

Or ask ourselves, how many lives would we be ready to lose?

2 posted on 08/17/2006 8:07:33 AM PDT by John Carey
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To: John Carey
Most enjoyable read.
3 posted on 08/17/2006 8:15:31 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: IrishMike
Iraq and Afganistan give the lie to this authors assumptions.

Another rabidly stupid analysis by someone WAY out of their depth. Our foes do NOT wage Total War against us. We wish they would. This is an Asymetrical War. Bellowing for a Convetional War response, which YOU WILL NEVER get pass the current Congress nor an American people 50% convinced we should not even be in Iraq must less any where else, is stupid.

Trying to force a Conventional Warfare paradigm onto an Asymmetrical warfare problem. That simply will not work. Start with our Revolution, Napoleon in Spain, Spain in South American, the US in Vietnam, Various European powers all over the world, the Nazis in Eastern Europe, the French then the Americans in Vietnam, the Russians in Afghanistan. A Conventional Warfare doctrine applied to an Asymmetrical problem always ends in the eventual bloody defeat for the Conventional Force.

Think of US as a boxer punching a sand bag. No matter how hard we hit, we cannot hold our fist to the bag forever. Thus as soon as we pull our fist back the weight of the sand forces the bag back to the same old shape. The Bush Administration is trying to find a way to empty the sand OUT of the bag so that when our military fist is removed, the bag does not simply revert to the same old form.

Perhaps this author MIGHT anwer the question of WHY the bulk of the forces fighting, and do the bulk of the dying, on our side in this War are Muslim Afganis, Iraqis and Pakistanis?

But that right, don't bother the "It's World War 3" drama queens in the Junk Media with little things like FACTs. That would strip all the hype and hysteria from the matter and they find factual reality so borning to work with.

4 posted on 08/17/2006 9:45:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
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To: MNJohnnie

Long time no hear.

Like your analysis.

5 posted on 08/17/2006 10:08:24 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: MNJohnnie

Great post.

6 posted on 08/17/2006 10:54:55 AM PDT by karnage
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To: MNJohnnie

I don't know if I agree with your analysis. The Germans had an insurgency after the defeat of the Nazis. Anyone caught with a weapon in civilian clothes was shot on site.

7 posted on 08/17/2006 11:49:19 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: IrishMike


8 posted on 06/25/2007 8:59:40 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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