Why We MUST Profile (Robert Spencer On Profiling As A Critical Terrorism Fighting Tool Alert)

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[goldstategop]

We need to profile airline passengers to provide effective protection and to catch suspects. We need to remember the people who most likely fit the terrorist profile are Muslims - not whites, blacks, grandmothers, veterans, women, men, infants and children. They all belong to a specific group of people. But what about innocent Muslims being singled out? Well, if they are innocent, they would welcome being profiled for their own safety and to remove suspicion from them as terrorists. We need it as terrorism-fighting tool. We cannot win the war against Islamofascism if we deny the adherents of a totalitarian and fanatical ideology exist who wish us all dead. In short, political correctness ought out to be out of bounds in adopting any and all measures needed to make us safe.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

[vimto]

Please excuse me posting this twice - I thought it a reasonable comment.

[1234]

a good, old plea for profilin; but one or more catastrophes probably needed for PC stuff to be overcome in the US....

[Critical Bill]

one or more catastrophes probably needed for PC stuff to be overcome in the US...

Was thinking exactly the same thing.

[gakrak]

"Since 9/11 Islamic jihadists have perpetrated well over five thousand terror attacks; no other group even comes close."

I believe based on all the evidence of terrorist make up that we have to protect ourselves and families.

"To ensure we Americans never offend anyone -- particularly fanatics intent on killing us -- law enforcement and security screeners are not allowed to "profile" people in public places or security checkpoints. However, they will continue to perform random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year-old congressmen with metal hips and even Medal of Honor recipients. But targeting Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40 constitutes "ethnic profiling."

Let's pause a moment and review....

In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by: (a) A salesman from Utah (b) An construction worker (c) A college student on Spring Break (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics by: (a) Your grandmother (b) A Midwest auto-parts dealer (c) A mom and her 6-year-old son visiting from Indiana (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) A bluegrass band (b) Dallas Cowboy fans (c) A tour group of 80-year-old women (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

During the 1980's numerous Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: (a) A family on their way to Disney World (b) Jesse Ventura (c) A Boy Scout Troop (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: (a) A pizza delivery boy (b) The UPS guy (c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70-year-old disabled American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by: (a) A girls' choir (b) A hardware store owner (c) A secretary (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by: (a) A Marine officer with two weeks leave (b) A plumber going to visit his mom (c) A Catholic nun (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: (a) A college-bound freshman (b) A cardiac surgeon on his way to Houston (c) A waitress (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by: (a) A starving actress (b) A mom with a newborn (c) Twin six-year-old boys (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1995, a plot to blow up U.S.-bound international flights over the Pacific was attempted by (a) Hawaiian school kids (b) An decorated Vietnam Veteran (c) Twin sisters on their way to Paducah (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: (a) A local TV weatherman (b) A dad and his two sons on a ski trip (c) A widower going to visit his grandchildren (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2000, 17 sailors died in an attack on the USS Cole (DDG 67) in Yemen by: (a) A child in a stroller (b) A high school class on their way to visit Washington, DC (c) Newlyweds on their way to Miami (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked -- two flown into the World Trade Centers, one into the Pentagon and one into the ground in rural Pennsylvania. They were hijacked by: (a) A retired police officer on a mission trip to Haiti (b) A firefighter going to Maryland for training (c) An paramedic on his way to vacation in Hawaii (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from: (a) USAID relief workers (b) Jewish Pilgrims (c) Christian missionaries (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl and other Westerners were kidnapped and beheaded by: (a) The Peace Corp (b) Scottish clansmen (c) Cuban refugees (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2002, more than 330 hostages in Beslan and 130 hostages in Moscow were murdered in sieges by: (a) Russian exchange students (b) The Red Guard (c) Church planters (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2003 the United States liberated Iraq from "The Butcher of Baghdad," but most American military personnel were killed by: (a) Iraqi school-girls (b) Street vegetable venders (c) Women without burkas (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2004, more than 200 Spanish civilians were murdered on trains by bombs in Madrid, detonated by: (a) Morning commuters (b) A three-year-old Chinese girl (c) Flamenco dancers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005 more than 50 UK citizens were killed by bombs on trains in London, detonated by: (a) Rail workers (b) Those unable to hail taxis (c) Wheelchair-bound grandmothers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005, there were hundreds of casualties, men, women and children, killed by bombs in Jerusalem, Riyadh and Amman. These innocent civilians were murdered by: (a) Construction workers (b) Farmers (c) Christian missionaries (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005, the city of Paris, and other European cities experienced an extended period of riots and destruction. The unrest was led by: (a) "Youth" (b) Soccer fans (c) Catholic nuns (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, more than 2,500 Americans have been murdered by terrorists. 35,000 Iraqi men, women and children have also been murdered by terrorists. Most of the combat and civilians casualties were the result of bombs detonated in civilian population centers by: (a) Fruit vendors in Baghdad (b) Disgruntled transit union workers (c) Iraqi schoolteachers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2006, hundreds of Israeli civilians have been killed by rockets launched by: (a) the Salvation Army (b) remnants of the 'Jackson Five' (c) the cast of 'Friends' (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2006, a plot to blow up U.S.-bound planes from the U.K. was attempted by (a) members of the royal family (b) Japanese tourists (c) groupies of the band 'Cream' (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

Since 2001, the FBI reports that there are major terrorist cells still in U.S. urban centers. Several of these cells have been uncovered and cell members arrested. In every case, the terrorists cell members were: (a) Southern Baptists Conventioneers (b) Lutheran Youth Groups (c) Presbyterian Elders (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

President George Bush said this week, "America is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation." The Council on American-Islamic Relations issued an immediate objection to the President's reference to "Islamic fascists". Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR protested, "We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal. Muslims world wide know that for sure." In light of this objection, we are left to ponder why every Islamic leader in the U.S., and the world, does not publicly condemn every terror action being undertaken in the name of the god of Islam. Their silence is deafening...

Between 1970 and present, there were more than 60 other notable examples of terrorism perpetrated by Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40, but we think you get the point. Singling out "Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40" is not "ethnic profiling," it's "terrorist profiling" -- acting on prolific evidence.

Anyone for Terrorist Profiling...?"

Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis! Mark Alexander Publisher, The Patriot

Stay Safe. Amen.

[vimto]

...and your point is?

(sarc/)

[mc5cents]

As has been said before, when will we stop using the term "profiling" and begin using the more correct term "description of the suspects"?

[CarrotAndStick]

Profiling in terms of religion or race?

The latter won't work against convert terrorists like one of those in the recent London attempt. Nor will it stop ones like these:

It might work for a while till the Islamofascists manage a work-around though.

[OldFriend]

In case you forgot. We HAD a catastrophe on 9/11. Spain, Bali, London, Morocco, Jordan......the list goes on.

Frankly I do not subscribe to the idea that we ought to concentrate on certain profiles.

The picture in yesterday's papers of the woman who was going to put explosives in her baby's bottle proves that we cannot be secure with profiling as the basis for searches.

As with Israel, we MUST consider everyone suspect.

Ranting about profiling might make good talk show fodder but is a vacuous argument.

[calex59]

The latter won't work against convert terrorists like one of those in the recent London attempt. Nor will it stop ones like these:

They can only convert so many white looking people. Regardless of a few white converts the vast majority of muslims will still look middle eastern, because they are. Not profiling is idiocy, profiling will give us a valuable tool in combatting terrorism. Profiling doesn't mean that you stop checking all suspicious people, but that you pay more attention to suspicious ME people.

The idiotic argument you put forth has been given since 9/11 and is a worthless argument and doesn't hold up. It is used by muslim appologist who don't want profiling because it will help stop terrorist or by someone who is just plain stupid, you pick which one fits you.

[Jacquerie]

Dedicating more effort on Muslims as opposed to Christians or Jews is not vacuous. It is wise use of finite resources.

[unionblue83]

Israel has for years considered everyone a suspect. We are not even close to understanding what the average Israeli has gone throught since the birth of their great nation. The need for profiling is documented by the text of the article itself. The FBI, the CIA, and all major law enforcement agencies use personnel called profilers to aid in the solving of cases, such as serial killers. The PC establishment has done it's best to make us all the same -- just like their favorite ex-country the USSR. The woman in question, if I am not mistaken, was a follower of the pedophile prophet and just means that we expand our "profile" to Muslim women as well. This technique is adaptable due to the changing nature of the threat.

[unionblue83]

Ping.

[kellynla]

BTTT

[CarrotAndStick]

I guess you missed the last line on my previous post.

Besides, a lot of Chechans,Albanians, Afghans and Iranians look "white", leave alone many of the Middle Easterners.

They will find a work-around. These are extremely patient vermin who will do everything they can to cause mayhem.

These animals don't even shy away from using pregnant women for their terrorism.

Profiling will only be a temporary "fix", if at all. And if that's the only seemingly potent strategy available to combat this menace, I have nothing against it. But I do have a problem when security becomes lax due to agencies ignoring the alternatives that the terrorists would likely use, if their usual means are restricted.

[Spiff]

I was just about to post this. You beat me to it. Spencer hits the nail on the head.

[EdReform]

We need to profile. Those who protest (e.g. the ACLU and CAIR) can go pound sand.

[Spiff]

[...a bunch of anti-profiling nonsense.]

Forget race or ethnicity then. It isn't their race that must be profiled, but the violent worldview to which they've subscribed. It's called Islam.

Let's put it this way. If there was an organization that held Nazi beliefs and actually had collaborated with the Nazis in WWII that was discovered to be committing mass murder and had several members in the United States how would you react? What if that group had actually attacked the U.S. and killed nearly 3,000 people? What if that group was responsible for more mass murder worldwide than the number of Jews exterminated by the Nazis in WWII? What if the members of that group had a document that outlined the groups beliefs and that document included a call for endless violence against anyone opposed to them. And that document, in fact, detailed a strategy for world domination wherein everyone must join their group or lives as slaves or be exterminated. What if that group was violently anti-Semitic? What if members of that group kept kidnapping innocent people and then video taping themselves cutting their heads off? Would you want to know who the members of that group are within the United States? Would you want strong measures to be taken to deal with that group? If you permitted that group to continue existing (for whatever insane reason) what reasonable measures should be taken to ensure that the group is not engaging in murderous conspiracies as they had so many times before?

You know what group I'm talking about. I don't care if their worldview is a religion or not. If the Nazis called their worldview a "religion" should we have just let them alone? Islam openly seeks world domination. Islam insists that you and your family either convert, or become a slave (a Dhimmi) to them, or be exterminated. Unchecked, it is only a matter of time until you and your family will have to make that choice - join, live as a slave, or have your throats cut. Islam is spreading throughout the globe with over 7 million members of that group in the United States alone. They don't get a pass just because they're considered to be a religion. Given their stated goal and the historical record they should be treated accordingly.

[Convert from ECUSA]

[OldFriend]

did you see the picture of the ordinary looking mom holding her baby? She could be any mom anywhere in the world boarding a plane

it was her intention to have explosives in the baby's bottle and kill her, the baby, and everyone on the plane

if you think we can determine in advance who is willing to murder us us, then you can dream on, or you don't fly. which is it?