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Just on CNN: DEA has arrested Mexican drug king pin Javier Arrellano-Felix at sea in a sting
CNN ^ | August 16, 2006 | Terry Fridman

Posted on 08/16/2006 11:32:27 AM PDT by OnRightOnLeftCoast

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To: Balding_Eagle
Poppycock. We don't have the upper hand. We aren't fighting Hitler either. We're fighting human nature. We're fighting free market enterprise, supply and demand. We're fighting a massive multibillion dollar underground industry. We'll occasionally take out a "CEO" in one of the huge companies in this industry, but it's kind of like taking out the CEO of Ford. If we take him out he'll be replaced. If we take him out along with some of the company's manufacturing and distribution capabilities, Chevrolet, GM, and all the other players will just take up the slack until Ford is back up and running at full steam again. The same goes for the hundreds of thousands of peons in the drug world we lock up every year in this country. If we really have the upper hand, why are drugs on our streets like cocaine, heroin, and meth cheaper and more pure than they were twenty years ago?
21 posted on 08/17/2006 11:38:03 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

I'm sorry you live in such a hell-hole.

If you are so inclined, come visit us in the United States. We still have the upper hand over here. I wake up each morning thanking God for living in such a wonderful country.

You've just confirmed that my thanks to Him is well placed.


22 posted on 08/18/2006 7:35:55 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Are you saying we have the upper hand in the "war on drugs?"


23 posted on 08/18/2006 7:40:56 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz

I'm mocking your defeatist attitude.

We do have problems, but generally we also have the upper hand.

As a reference point I chose WWII and Hitler to show how things might be if we didn't have the upper hand.

I could use the current War also, but we are still very much in that fight, and it's harder to see.


24 posted on 08/18/2006 11:11:46 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: cripplecreek

did you notice there were 3 children on the boat with him? do they 'lose' the whole boat or do they execute him in front of his family in the middle of the ocean? how would you handle it? going cheap always makes things more expensive in the end-


25 posted on 09/17/2006 6:32:55 PM PDT by fillupbanks
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To: cripplecreek

did you notice there were 3 children on the boat with him? do they 'lose' the whole boat or do they execute him in front of his family in the middle of the ocean? how would you handle it? going cheap always makes things more expensive in the end-


26 posted on 09/17/2006 6:32:56 PM PDT by fillupbanks
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To: Balding_Eagle

If live in the U.S. and you think that we have a handle on the drug problem I will have to argue: even the DEA said the Arellano arrest would not make a difference in drug trafficking on the border. This is part of a larger problem and putting a face to it gives people someone to gawk at- but we are a nation of drug takers from alcohol, cigarrettes, prescription drugs for everything from a bad mood to shyness (Zoloft etc.), ADD/ADHD drugs ( which are really just legal meth) - take away all that and much of the population in the U.S. might lose the ability to function for a while- now is there something we feel guilty about that we don't admit? Arellano would have been a nobody if it weren't for our constant demand for instant gratification- moral: most people in today's conflicts believe they are on the rightous side - historically everybody thinks God is on their army's side- but God protects the weak and the U.S. is the almighty global power- how can you sit in a country like the U.S. and criticize the fact that someone in another country exploited our weakness-it's our weakness to be exploited- that is capitalism- we do it where we can too- as a nation we need to start recognizing problems instead of diagnosing symptoms- in order to do that we would have to be honest about our own flaws. the world is changing and if we don't keep somebody will pass us- poverty is a problem, so are corruption at the highest levels and the lack of education for the mass population here and the constant exposure by the media to sound bytes that dramaticize and simplify complicated phenomenon and breed ingorance and hatred (people don't want to think for themselves they want to be told what to think) fighting 'the good fight' there may help with the symptom: the U.S. drug demand- good day


27 posted on 09/17/2006 6:55:59 PM PDT by fillupbanks
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Do we have the upper hand on the drug war? I'm not sure, but given my perspective, I'd venture a qualified yes.

I do know that just like with the abortion issue, the war won't be 'won' by law enforcement or by courts. The drug war will be won by a national change of heart. Indications from surveys are that just that very change is occuring in the younger generation. The best the justice system and law enforement can do is hold things in check until then.

But that wasn't the issue I was addressing. The negative, 'pissing in the beer' attitude was what I was addressing. That's why I was mocking the poster.

Looks like a little sunshine could help you too. The next generation is a lot wiser about drugs than mine was.

They could use a positive attitude from the rest of us.


28 posted on 09/17/2006 7:40:09 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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