Posted on 08/16/2006 11:23:16 AM PDT by Bokababe
Folks seem to be in a quandary: Should US president George W. Bush have used the terms “Islam” and “Fascists” in the same sentence. The majority of the negative comments have been directed toward the president’s lack of sensitivity toward the vast majority of followers of Islam.
But despite some weak politically correct attempts, the fact is that the press for the most part is guilty of whitewashing one simple fact: There is a radical, heretical brand of Islam fostering terrorism that is indeed a by-product of Fascism and a hatred of Jews.
Shahid Nickels, a member between 1998 and 2000 of the group headed by Mohammed Atta who led the 9-11 attacks, said that "Atta's weltanschauung was based on a National Socialist way of thinking. He was convinced that 'the Jews' are determined to achieve world domination. He considered New York City to be the center of world Jewry which was, in his opinion, Enemy Number One," according to an article written by Dr. Matthias Küntzel. (1)
Atta’s peculiar “Nationalist Socialist way of thinking,” however, was far from unique. In fact, it was a seed germinating for 80 years among radical Islamists that can be traced to Hassan al-Banna, a 22-year-old school teacher who gathered discontent Muslims to found the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928/1929. ......
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We aren't talking about two different traditions. It's all one thing.
No shitte!
I guess they'll claim dogs bark next....
To compare Byzantium with the Muslims is beyond ridiculous and bizarre.
That's all I have to say to you!
I'd like to know what your sources are besides the anti Orthodox ones you have been brainwashed with.
A lot of people still don't get it ranger. They haven't connected the dots yet between the Balkans and the ME, between WWII and today, between Islam and it's WWII buddies the German Nazis. And this is largely because 15 years ago, for some inexplicable reason, the US switched sides -- at least in the Balkans -- and with devastating effects. Because it only encouraged the Islamo-Nazis to take more land. Islam saw in the US, a "sign of weakness" -- a willingness to abandon Christians to them; an ability for them to manipulate our media and our politics and make us do whatever they want, because we are oil-junkies -- they believe that we need them more than they need us. And we are now selling our souls by the barrel. We need to lose the SUV's and focus on some new form of energy now, so that we can send them packing back to the desert they came from -- and let them milk camels, not us!
Eastern Roman Empire, otherwise known as Bysantm, was cradle of Serb, Bulgarian, Greek, russia, and other Ortodox Christian churches and cultures. It was LAST Christianic empire. Only thing that it have commom ti Islam is that Turkes conquered it and held exactly the same territory.
"To compare Byzantium with the Muslims is beyond ridiculous and bizarre. "
I am with you on that, Eleni. Have no idea what muawiyah has been reading -- or smoking, for that matter -- to come up with a connection like that one!
Islam was founded by a warrior to be a warrior religion. Byzantine Christians deplored war, which is why so much emphasis was put on physical defenses like chains across the harbor to prevent the enemy from entering. Byzantine soldiers were forbidden to take Holy Communion for 7 years if they killed someone, even in defense. This made no one want to become a soldier in Byzantium, which is why the Byzantine Emporer asked the Pope for help against the Muslims. The Emporer thought that the Pope was going to send him some knights to help fight, instead he sent tens of thousands of men women and children -- the First Crusade!
Point is that in order for Byzantium to have the kind of "fascistic reign" you were talking about, Byzantium would have needed soldiers that it obviously did not have! Because if Byzantium did have them, the Crusades would have never happened!
Seems to me that you have been reading some radical Roman Catholic nonsense, used to defend the later sacking of Constantinople -- for which there is absolutely no moral defense!
"It was LAST Christianic empire."
That's not correct. The Holy Roman Empire lasted longer than the Byzantine Empire, until 1806, whereas the Byzantine Empire lasted until 1453. I still don't see how the Byzantine Empire was, in general, any more autocratic than other states of the time period. Sounds like 18th and 19th century stereotyping to me.
BTW, if you want to be Orthodox that's your business. At the same time recognize that the Orthodox church WAS NOT THE STATE in Byzantium. In fact, the emperor made sure things worked the other way around.
(Aside to others ~ sometimes you can sympathize with the Moslems who've had to deal with this nonsense for the last 1400 years ~ some Orthodox take even the slightest criticism of Byzantium as a criticism of Christianity. Personally, it doesn't bother me to encounter criticism of the very authoritarian, "moustache pete" style of governance found in Byzantium. In fact, I find it difficult to differentiate between Byzantine theory of government and modern fascism ~ mostly because the Byzantines perfected that system.)
Likewise, a criticism of the tyrant is not a criticism of Christianity.
Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.
Now, concerning these pacifistic Byzantines, (Bwaaahahahahahahaha), while it's true the Empire failed to pay it's troops for many decades just before the rise of the Arab state at Mecca, they didn't dispense with having an army.
One of the purposes of that army was to keep everybody else disarmed and in their place.
The Arabs hired many unpaid Byzantine military units so they could undertake what turned into their conquest of all of North Africa.
"Islamists dabbled in Nazi fascism back during WWII, but soon realized that the Nazi ideology hated Arabs just as much."
You'd think so, but that's wrong. Hitler declared the Arabs "honorary Arians". There were Muslim SS Divisions -- the Handzar, the 21st Waffen SS --their flag had a swastika and a scimitar. And, interestingly enough, a release of German Nazi papers said that the religion that the Nazis most wanted to wipe out was actually Christianity: http://www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nurinst1.htm Many German Nazis escaped to the ME post-war and actually converted to Islam: http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/where.html
Chuck Morse's book, "The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism" does a fine job of also telling where these German Nazis went and what happened to them. Most converted to Islam and served as advisors to Arab governments.
Professor Cantor at Columbia says it was technically the Republic of Venice that lasted longer as a single state than any Egyptian dynasty or Byzantium.
And please, please, please get this straight ~ the Byzantine state WAS NOT Christianity itself no matter how much some of you guys would like for that to have been the case. It was a brutal dictatorship that regulated the affairs of the public to the degree possible in those days.
People would find the arab stance during WWII interesting. And I see my tag-line still stands.
That's the funny thing about armies, if you don't pay them they may go to work for somebody else.
I know, you're one of those guys who believes no Christian would willingly become a Moslem. Unfortunately that still goes on today ~ a couple of them were in on that terror threat the other day directed at airplanes.
There are numerous books out there concerning the rise of Islam ~ most of them written by non Moslems since it's so very risky for a Moslem to write something another Moslem might dispute. They consider all "differences of opinion" concerning the rise of Islam to be religious matters worthy of getting your throat cut.
So, you're safe in reading most of the books about that period of time ~ they are written mostly by Christians.
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