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Give Us Shari'a, UK Muslim Leaders Tell Gov't [They Want To Destroy Western Civilization ALERT]
CNS News ^ | Aug. 16, 2006 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 08/16/2006 8:07:17 AM PDT by conservativecorner

British Muslim leaders meeting with government representatives to discuss ways of combating extremism are calling for the establishment of Islamic law (shari'a) to govern Muslims' family life.

"We told her if you give us religious rights, we will be in a better position to convince [Muslim] young people that they are being treated equally along with other citizens," said Syed Aziz Pasha, secretary general of the Union of Muslim Organizations of the U.K. and Ireland.

Pasha was among some 30 Muslim leaders, described as moderates, who met with Ruth Kelly, the minister responsible for communities, amid raging debate in the country over what to do about the terror threat.

The government is appealing to Muslim figures to work harder to prevent extremist views from taking root in their communities, particularly among young people.

The campaign was accelerated after the July 2005 London bombings, and given new urgency in recent days after police discovered what they said was a conspiracy to blow up U.S.-bound aircraft, killing thousands of air passengers and crew.

As of Tuesday, police were holding 24 suspects, all reported to be Muslims.

Pasha stressed that he was calling for the introduction of shari'a codes covering marriage and family life, and not for criminal offenses.

Shari'a is controversial because it provides for punishments including limb amputation for theft and death for apostasy. The legal code is applied in varying degrees in countries including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan and Indonesia.

Shari'a in family affairs deals with issues such as dowry, inheritance and sharing of assets. In some traditions it also allows men to beat wives who refuse to obey them and won't submit to non-physical admonition, and to end a marriage by declaring "I divorce you" three times.

Pasha said Muslim leaders were ready to cooperate with the government, but wanted a partnership."They should understand our problems then we will understand their problems."

Other Muslim leaders, however, disagreed. Khalid Mahmood, one of four Muslim lawmakers in the House of Commons, said shari'a could not apply in Britain because it was not an Islamic state.

An ICM poll of British Muslims earlier this year found 40 percent of respondents supported the introduction of shari'a in predominantly Muslim areas of Britain, while 41 percent were opposed to the idea.

About 2.7 percent of Britain's 60 million people are Muslims. In another opinion survey of Muslims this year, by polling company NOP, 22 percent of respondents agreed that the London bombings, which killed 52 people, were justified because of Britain's foreign policies. Among Muslims aged under 45, the figure rose to 31 percent.

Exposure of the airline bomb plot led to the introduction of unprecedented security measures at British airports, causing major disruption.

Media reports say the government is considering introducing a system of "profiling," to ensure security staff focus attention on those considered more likely to be suspect -- because of behavior or ethnic/religious background -- and so ease congestion at airports over the longer term. The government has not confirmed the reports.

Muslim Council of Britain General Secretary Muhammad Abdul Bari said the proposal could have the effect of discouraging Muslims from cooperating with police. If profiling was based on race or religion, it would be wrong, he told Sky News.

In another meeting this week, Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott met with Muslim lawmakers who earlier had put their names to an open letter saying the government's foreign policies were providing "ammunition to extremists."

The letter, whose signatories included representatives of all major mainstream Muslim organizations, sparked a strong backlash from ministers, who said foreign policy could not be dictated by terrorists.

Heritage Foundation scholar Nile Gardiner called the letter a wake-up call to the government.

"It shatters any illusions that the government's policy of engagement with leading 'moderate' Muslim groups since the 2005 London bombings has reaped any benefits," he said in a memo.

Gardiner urged the British government to "reject the message of appeasement" and for inquiries to be made into links between leading Muslim groups and radical organizations and individuals.

"Britain needs a new generation of Muslim leaders who are untainted by association with, or sympathy for, Islamic extremism and who are proud of their British identity," he said.

"They must be willing to condemn terrorism unequivocally and help root out extremists from Muslim communities."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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To: conservativecorner
The muslim response to every atrocity or threat by their co-religionists: "GIMME MO!"

And the west obliges, and nothing changes.

21 posted on 08/16/2006 8:34:01 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Shouldn't that be Imammodium?


22 posted on 08/16/2006 8:36:46 AM PDT by manic4organic
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To: browardchad
You know, they are just following logically from the agreements made in the 60's. In this country we ceded our cities to extortionists claiming that blacks should have their own separate communities with different rules and even language, as well as control of schools and other institutions by unqualified people.

Other examples would include independance for former colonies which were in no way ready. We may not have had sharia law, but we had no-go zones and the myth that "street smarts" somehow was as good as grauating from college.

I think that a lot now think that excessive self-determination has turned into the blind leading the blind. However, in Iraq, bush is taking the approach that the blind need seeing-eye-dogs.

23 posted on 08/16/2006 8:47:50 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: conservativecorner
The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (car-burnings in France last October) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Mohammed cartoons).

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.
24 posted on 08/16/2006 8:48:55 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: conservativecorner

If you don't read one other article today, please read this one:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5764


25 posted on 08/16/2006 8:49:49 AM PDT by rightazrain (“Ceasefire” is just another word for “reload.")
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To: conservativecorner

Just three beheadings a year is all we ask. You wouldn't believe how oppressive your kaffir females are to us.


26 posted on 08/16/2006 8:50:26 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

27 posted on 08/16/2006 8:52:10 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Our man in washington

We need to get all the Muslims out of America before we have the same problems as England.




And France and the Balkans and sweden and everywhere where these guys infest.

You'd be surprised how many people agree with you...and it's no wonder given their propensity for violence.


28 posted on 08/16/2006 8:53:16 AM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: Our man in washington

I agree with your post #14.

Islam should be declared an illegal political party and then deport all of its members.


29 posted on 08/16/2006 8:53:39 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: Moose4
Indeed, their contradiction exposes their true intentions.
30 posted on 08/16/2006 9:11:43 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: Peach

If you want Sharia law, go home.


31 posted on 08/16/2006 9:13:12 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Kill all the lawyers? No, kill all the politicans.)
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To: conservativecorner

Suicide Watch Bump.


32 posted on 08/16/2006 9:17:10 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: Our man in washington; eleni121; tractorman
We need to get all the Muslims out of America before we have the same problems as England.

I don't care if you refer to yourself as a bigot;
I do care for your cavalier disregard of the religion clause in the 1st amendment.

Narrow your cry for expulsion to the minority of Muslims who advocate violent Jihad and our legal system and I will forgive you.

33 posted on 08/16/2006 9:22:18 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: conservativecorner

The western mind will never comprehend the muslim mind. These guys flocked out of a 3rd world shithole to the UK and now want to turn their refuge into a 3rd world shithole.


34 posted on 08/16/2006 9:25:24 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: TeleStraightShooter

What you fail to understand is that by being a Muslim, you advocate violent Jihad. Not different from being a Soviet agent, really, and we expelled those all the time.


35 posted on 08/16/2006 9:34:40 AM PDT by Defiant (Let the Muzzies travel on their own airlines so they don't endanger the rest of us.)
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To: TeleStraightShooter

You've already been enlightened by post #35.


36 posted on 08/16/2006 9:38:17 AM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: conservativecorner
"...Muslim leaders were ready to cooperate with the government, but wanted a partnership."They should understand our problems then we will understand their problems..."

Here's an idea. You wish to live under Sharia Law? Live in Iran or Pakistan. Otherwise, GO POUND SAND.

37 posted on 08/16/2006 9:43:37 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: TeleStraightShooter

Let me add to 35 because it is apparent that someone like yourself who defends the indefensible by calling another person who disagrees a bigot needs as much clarification as possible:

Muslims reject wholesale the idea and implementation of a dominant secular law; instead they seek the forced establishment of a pan-Islamist state under the control and supervision of Sharia.

Muslims view the democratic practices of egalitarianism, individual rights, and free exercise of religion (other than their own) as a direct threat to their belief system, and they are intent on employing violence against the West for the foreseeable future.

GOT IT?!


38 posted on 08/16/2006 9:49:54 AM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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To: TeleStraightShooter
I do care for your cavalier disregard of the religion clause in the 1st amendment.

I understand that they are protected from the Government in their beliefs by the 1st, but if this nonsense and violence from the Muslim religion continues much longer it will not be the American Government the Muslim must fear, it will be an outraged American populace.

Any religion that preaches and promotes forced conversion, murder, and mayhem against unbelievers is the path to heaven for it's adherants becomes fair game as far as many of us are concerned....which is why we have the Second Amendment.

39 posted on 08/16/2006 9:52:02 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Defiant
False on both accounts.
Not only are you incorrect in implying I am Muslim, you are also absurdly incorrect that all Muslims advocate violent Jihad.

As for your inaccurate comparison of Islam to the USSR, not all Russians were Soviet agent; as a matter of fact, if it was not for the will of the Russian people {enabled by Ronald.R} the USSR would still be around.

40 posted on 08/16/2006 10:04:19 AM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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