Posted on 08/15/2006 5:19:13 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
Fascism would be tremendous leap forward for most Islamic nations.
Did I say Huns? I meant ... er ... Mums. Yeah, that's the ticket.
We have been fighting violent Moslems since this country was founded (Barbary Pirates - Thomas Jefferson). So if we are not fighting Islam, then what is it about Islam that breeds so many "Islamofascists".
The term "Islamofascists" implies that most muslims are moderate and do not support the Islamofascists. It is my impression that this is not the case.
If we are fighting a religion, then how do we reconcile that with "freedom of religion"? Maybe freedom of religion has limits, like treason or support of our enemies.
That is not why I consider moslems mohammed-worshippers. Actually, I think pbuh is a rather gracious and even endearing mannerism. It is not to my taste, because it is repetitive, but I understand the sense of true respect and honor behind it. I have no problem with it.
What I have a problem with is the regard of mohammed as The Perfect Man, an absurdity carried to violent and mindless extremes. What difference is there between bowing down five times a day, and rioting and murdering because of pictures? The intensity of feeling and thinking is impossible to distinguish, in terms of adoration.
LOL!
The jihadis are extremely decentralized.
stringent socioeconomic controls,
The jihadis lack the economic structure that is the hallmark of fascistic societies.
typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
The Jihadi is internationalist in nature not nationalistic. They operate and thrive in London just as well as Tehran.
The Bush Adminstration's biggest problem is its complete inability to articulate the purpose of our actions in the Middle East. Or to define our enemy in this war. Anyone who thinks we are fighting fascists is ignorant of both history and the English language.
From a tactical standpoint, we are extremely well positioned in the Middle East. I sure as hell hope the purpose of our presence is not as advertised, i.e. to give Islamists the opportunity to vote themselves a government of Islamic fundamentalists.
True. But my point is, can't we get more specific, in fact can't we be accurate, in addressing who our enemy is? Why do we need to drag fascism into this?
Isn't calling the thing itself, adequate and to the point?
Precisely.
Can't agree with you on any of your points. Islamofascism is the perfect description.
Ah ... so true. Of that I am only too aware. But it never hurts to be reminded, and I thank you.
In fact, most of the Paks (including those of predominantly Arab origin) like to differentiate themselves from the Arabs (including Mo) by noting that some things are clearly cultural, e.g. plural marriage, frequent divorce, the burqa, and so forth.
I say we compromise and call it a good rant. Like a good Opus without the "leaving" part.
I'd go down each point, but suffice it to say that the Islamofascist "ideal" is the Islamic Caliphate, with its own version of "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer".
You are correct.... OTOH, you are dealing with a society which is generally "ignorant of both history and the English language", so maybe best to feed them regurgitated pablum..
Maybe we should call the Islamo-Commies.. We know Commies and we beat them before, so maybe we can do it again..;)
My point was that the term was appropriate, but ineffectual, especially in comparison to using the words which actually describe the circumstances, instead of unnecessary historical metaphors.
Nor can you articulate why.
BTW, Mohammad never existed, or at least not as he is portrayed in the Koran and the Hadiths. He's a fiction invented in Damascus
Ya went there, didn't ya? In my previous post about fascism, I articulated why. You know, the post you responded to? Hello, you there?
Could you give me some GPS co-ordinates on the Caliphate?
Their ideal has very little to do with their current structure.
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