We are not fighting "fascism"

With most of the Western world in denial, ignorance or some degree of acquiesence before the dream of islamic hegemony, it is at least encouraging that all of a sudden a discussion has arisen among those westerners not so afflicted, whether we should identify the ideology of our enemies as fascist.

It is encouraging because it might, perhaps, signal a sense that it is becoming more commonly acceptable in our societies to think of our enemies as not nice people. Maybe our reluctance to give offense is giving way, to some degree, to the foreboding that horrible suffering and death might actually await many of us, by those not nice people who daily threaten to inflict horrible suffering and death on us, and do inflict it on as many of us as they are currently capable of reaching.

The question remains whether "fascism" is really the word we ought to use, when we use it in the phrase "War on Islamo-fascism." There is no question that fascism and islam share a strikingly similar world view, and as much is assumed in the following words. Islam shares a striking world view with nazism, perhaps moreso than with fascism, and yet would it sound right to refer to "islamo-nazism"? Our enemies are true barbarians: should we call this war, the The War on Barbarism?

The problem with calling our enemy ideology "islamo-fascism" is that it is not fascism, it is islam. While there may be fascist equivalents of words such as dhimmi, hudna, taqqiyah and jihad, or fascist literature the equivalent of the koran, the hadith and the sira, that does not make islam, fascism. Each has a distinctive time and place in the history of mankind, and each a different cultural and philosophical context.

Adding fascism to "islamo" does not have the ring of truth to it. It sounds somewhat childish, like calling a police officer a "fascist pig." The use of the word "fascist" has a very sorry recent history of being used as a totally baseless pejorative, and it does not gain resonance regardless of how more accurately it might be applied to our enemy than to a cop.

And even the prefix "islamo" has that absurd ring of an awkward neologism, as with islamism. They sound like pipsqueak pejoratives, they do not quite ring true. They have the sound of phoniness and reaching too far. Does the word "homophobia" still grate on your ears? That's because it has the psuedo-serious echo of a nagging, hectoring made up verbal sledgehammer.

But the worst aspect of this leaden coinage is, it does not call the thing by what it calls itself and how it is known.

It is understood: there is a major difficulty involved. Even those who attribute the "root cause" of our enemy's barbarism to islam itself, are loathe to be so blunt, if only for prudential reasons. There remains the so far unrealized hope that some adherents will take a stand against the purported extremism of their co-religionists, that there might be a reformation of islam, if only we avoid at all costs the impression that we are trying to destroy their religion.

The problem is, you cannot fight this war without knowing about the love of death, the hatred of humanity, and the worship of mohammed, which comprises islam. The details of islam are critical, because the details lead to the understanding of motives and tactics. The knowledge of fascism is beside the point, or at least a distraction. Islam is quite big enough without trying to view it through the prism of what in comparison is a trivial historic era.

This has been a long war, between islam and humanity. The significance of the current phase, is that barbarism has just intersected with modern technology and the happenstance of vast oil wealth. The world has literally never faced anything like this before.

We are not fighting fascism. We are fighting jihad, the islamic war against humanity. The first battle in the current phase of islam's dedication to the destruction of us, is the struggle to get modern Westerners to grasp what they are facing. Jihad is doing its best to spin their war in such a way, as to keep most Westerners clueless. And it has not been a difficult job for them, given the predilections of most Westerners.

The first job in resisting jihad is to get the attention of Westerners, and the second is to focus them on exactly what they are facing. The first job is being done by jihad itself. Only jihad can do it apparently, sadly. The second job has to be done by Westerners who already know what we face.

That job is one of speaking clearly and with conviction, not obfuscating or using obscure historical metaphors.

This is a war on jihad, if we are willing to make war. It is a war of ideas, freedom, civilization and humanity, versus a religious belief that all shall die, and die horribly, who do not submit. Jihad is that religious belief. And the war on jihad ought to be the resolve of free men.

Why are the bulk of the forces fighting, and dying, on OUR side in the War on Jihadism, Muslim Afghanis, Pakistanis and Iraqis? Bother to notice the Kurds are Muslims? Islamic Fascism is opposed by many Moslems, just as Italian and German facsism were opposed by many Germand and Italians. This is why the term Islamic Fascism is actually a good term. It seperates out the good Islam from the bad, just as the term Italian Fascist does for Italians.

Of course one can be a Moslem and not believe in Jihad, and our goal should be to make this the only acceptable interpretation of Islam.

And in Pakistan you'd best keep your spare wives in the North where people put up with it.

So, too, in the US.

BTW, the Persians are the guys who managed to read temporary marriage into the Koran ~ one of those funny little translation things they have ~ and then turn it into a substitute for prostitution.

Truly amazing how firmly fixed the Koran is. That's why those German guys are deconstructing it to see where the input came from, particularly the stuff that's actually in Syriac-Aramaic!

Bet you thought those early Moslems were interested in sex with little boys didn't you?

Did it ever occur to you that in a society where widows are regularly married to men who can afford another wife they might not think highly of that sort of thing.

On the other hand, the seedless dessert grape was developed right there in that part of the world. Someone explaining what Heaven is like to a potential convert would be in good stead comparing it to a bunch of sweet dessert grapes.

There are many other parts of the Koran with similar problems.

But, they have revealed themselves over and over again, to be enemies to the world. Oppressors who wish to destroy everyone in their path. Warpers of religion. Usurpers of truth. Murderers, thieves and inhuman animals.
Let their blood flow in the streets like great rivers of penance for their evils.

So, I cannot support your piddling worries about if they are "really" fascists or not. They are the enemy. That is ALL we need to know.

I also agree completely.

We can not know the future but I know this war must be won sooner rather than later. Indecision and inaction will be our destruction with an unconscionable fate.

I agree. Islam and Fascism, while having more than a few things in common, should in no way be confused.

Fascism is a dandelion puff in terms of History, whereas Islam has endured 1400 years and weathered Mongol Invasions, colonialism, etc.

This means that like it or not, Islam has a certain "majesty" about it. Like the devil himself. It means it's far more cunning, stubborn, determined.

They've been through crushing defeats... but unlike the Fascists or even the Nazis who were detoxed, they silently regroup. Leaving Islam is a painful physical experience... It's not like changing ones political orientation. Ask any apostate and he will describe it more like breaking a heroin addiction.

51% of humanity is female.

Though Fascist womanhood was not liberated by today's standards, (nor was any womanhood for that matter) I can post you pictures of Italian Fascist movie starlets, looking rather sexy. The inventor of Fascism had Clara Petacci as a mistress. They were killed together. Islam would have put her in a pit hurled rocks!

Most importantly: no Fascist mother, no matter how rabid would ululate or cheer for the murderous suicide of her son.

This is indicative of a psychotic element. When it comes to killing, even killing cruelly and senselessly, no pulpit is squeaky clean... but celebrating the murder of one's own blood and flesh? Electing such a person to Parliament?

Mussolini for all his cruelty would not send Italian children to clear mine fields giving them plastic keys to heaven. (unlike Hitler, I doubt he would even send enemy children).

Fascism and other "isms" promoted cannon fodder childbirth... but did they take over countries by demography?

Islam unlike Fascism or even Nazism has different timings. It's unhurried. It has "religious" timings, not political ones.

I'm afraid that Islamo-Fascism points to the wrong kind of enemy, one that can be beaten militarily and then successfully detoxed. One senisitive to at least some residual form of honor and certainly to the deterrence of losing ones life.

I could go on forever. For example alcohol, or representative artwork. A Muslim mutters Alahu Akbar when he has an orgasm as when he's slowly sawing off the head of an enemy. No Fascist would chant "Viva il Duce" on every bloody occasion.

The point is that Islam is an entirely different ethos. Old very oooooold. For all its stupidity, it is far more clever in a cunning sort of way than Fascism. No system is so clever at "weaponizing" kindness.

It's fine, I guess that the US pres. upped the antagonism level a notch, associating it with the worst "we've" come up with... and "Islami-Fascism" comes trippingly on the tongue.

But it's way off mark.

Turn on the news and you will read about a papa - mama - baby team of martyrs. THAT is the Evil Majesty of Islam.

You might as well say: Islamo-NewDealism, or Islamo-Bonapartism.

Islam is that connection between total madness and total reason. "I kill my own son to achieve some piddling political end."

It is no longer "might makes right"... but the most determined makes right.

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