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CA: Business reps: Labor force will suffer if House bill passes
North County Times ^ | 8/15/06 | Patricia Wright

Posted on 08/15/2006 10:22:17 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

SAN DIEGO ---- Americans need to think of illegal immigrants as economic contributors and not law breakers, said five advocates for immigration reform Monday.

The five advocates, including a farming advocate and a U.S. Chamber of Commerce director, spoke during a press conference in response to a hearing held by the U.S. House Government Reform Committee. The Republican-led committee met Monday in San Diego to discuss the costs of illegal immigration to San Diego County's educational, health and legal systems.

Viewed in an economic sense, the advocates said, the loss of a labor force made up largely of illegal immigrants could cripple the nation's agricultural and other industries.

"Immigrants, legal or not, are woven deeply in the fabric of our society and economy," said Dick Castner, executive director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's western office. "If they were to disappear, the impact would be significant."

The five representatives spoke to promote action on immigration reform at the event sponsored by People for the American Way, a 900,000-member organization based in Washington, D.C., dedicated to countering conservative publicity. The group held the press conference to show that illegal immigrants contribute as much to society as they cost, if not more.

Several members quoted a recent Pew Hispanic Center report that discussed the importance of workers, including illegal immigrants, to fields other than agriculture, such as construction and hospitality.

Opponents of illegal immigration say illegal immigrants use American facilities, such as schools and hospitals, without paying income tax, and that helping illegal residents become citizens promotes law-breaking.

Luawanna Hallstrom, a board member for the Western Growers Association and California Farm Bureau, said it was wrong to say illegal immigrants don't contribute to American society because they don't pay income taxes. She said illegal immigrants pay several taxes, from sales taxes to property taxes.

"These people never see anything from that money," she said. "We haven't given them the legal means to participate."

Dan Siciliano, executive director of the Law, Economics & Business program at Stanford Law School, said something had to be done to meet future U.S. labor needs. He said retiring baby boomers and a national birth rate under two per American female are going to strain the U.S. work force and make it difficult to sustain economic growth.

The advocates supported the recent U.S. Senate bill, passed in May, that includes a temporary work program and more access to citizenship for illegal immigrants. They preferred that bill over a U.S. House bill, passed in December, that calls for a crackdown on immigration enforcement.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; bill; business; california; chamberofcommerce; dickcastner; house; hr4437; illegals; immigration; laborforce; passes; suffer; uscoc
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To: AppleButter
What kind of idiot economist is he?

He appears to be of the John Kenneth Galbraith variety.

21 posted on 08/15/2006 12:04:35 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge
Illegals consume about $1500 per head more in government services than they contribute in taxes. Multiply that by 20 million. It's almost real money.
22 posted on 08/15/2006 12:13:11 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: NormsRevenge
"These people never see anything from that money," she said. "We haven't given them the legal means to participate."

Baloney. Free schooling, free health care at emergency room rates, section 8 housing for the anchor babies. They get a hell of a lot of services for the meager contribution. Conversely, I'm pay $70,000 in federal income tax, $19,000 in state income tax and the max social security. I have no children in school and my employer sucks $400 per month from my paycheck for a health insurance premium with $1500 per person per year deductibles. Who's getting screwed here?

The illegals need to be arrested and deported ASAP. There are plenty of capable people around to fill the jobs they are illegally performing.

23 posted on 08/15/2006 12:18:42 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: NormsRevenge
Maybe. But if the House bill passes, there will be no need for any minimum wage law. Pay rates for low to mid-skill jobs will go up pretty dramatically.

This could create a few problems, but it would solve a whole lot of problems.

24 posted on 08/15/2006 12:37:39 PM PDT by Montfort (Check out the 200+ page free preview of The Figurehead by Thomas Larus at lulu.com/larus)
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

What is the quota on the H2A temporary ag worker visa?


25 posted on 08/15/2006 1:32:03 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
From what I understand - unlimited.

Employer makes application based on need & agrees to terms/conditions.

It's granted & he drives to border to P.U. his new braceros.

26 posted on 08/15/2006 1:38:51 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
You understand wrong, Check with the United Farm Workers.

AgJobs, was the bill to reform ag worker visas and was the first one introduced in 2003. It was rolled into CIRA.

The quota is nowhere near adequate
The regulations are so complex, very few use it
It is for temporary workers only

27 posted on 08/15/2006 2:18:25 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
It is for temporary workers only

I understand that ....& why would you want 'em here after the year's harvest?

28 posted on 08/15/2006 2:24:21 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: Myrddin

Someone needs to tell the RNC and the morons at the WSJ op ed pages what non enforcement of illegal alien workplace rules amounts to, and that is a de facto govrenment subsidy. So much for the "free"market.

As I mentioned in my other post, businessmen who pull this BS are only hurting themselves long term, because not only are they bringing in socialist leaning voters, but in the short term they are severely angering American born citizens. I guess they will renain clueless untill we go beyond Carter era levels of taxation.


29 posted on 08/15/2006 2:30:52 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

Because there is a need for longer term employees.


30 posted on 08/15/2006 2:55:33 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
so, if you knew the quota was too low - why'd ya ask me instead of educating me ?
31 posted on 08/15/2006 3:27:06 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: NormsRevenge

why can't these phony immigrants and criminal aliens just use their REAL ID? Perfectly legal in the US!


32 posted on 08/15/2006 3:31:33 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: NormsRevenge
She said illegal immigrants pay several taxes, from sales taxes to property taxes.
so how is it that phony immgrants and criminal aliens don't like to pay their income tax?
33 posted on 08/15/2006 3:36:10 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: RFT1
I'm a frequent traveler all over the U.S. I stay at a variety of hotels/motels. I see plenty of Americans doing housekeeping tasks. It galls me to hear the phrase "doing jobs that Americans won't do". Total BS.
34 posted on 08/15/2006 6:56:07 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: NormsRevenge

"the loss of a labor force made up largely of illegal immigrants could cripple the nation's agricultural and other industries."
BIG FAT LIE!!!!


75% of those jobs are still done by legal Americans.


35 posted on 08/15/2006 10:43:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

I assumed that your intent was to spread mis-info.


36 posted on 08/16/2006 7:48:35 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Redbob

"Americans need to think of illegal immigrants as economic contributors... said five advocates for immigration reform Monday."

"That's funny: slave-owners felt the same way about slaves.
Didn't mean it was right, though."

Absolutely right! What would you expect advocates to say??
Big deal....it's still BS

This American is never going to see them as anything but fence-jumpers and line-cutters...a residential burgler is a criminal..not an "uninvited house guest"..


37 posted on 09/24/2006 10:45:52 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("People get the leaders they deserve" (hear that Mexico??))
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