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Experts: London plot not Osama's encore
World Net Daily ^ | Posted: August 15, 2006 | World Net Daily

Posted on 08/15/2006 9:00:23 AM PDT by Fawn

Terror kingpin said preparing bigger strike on U.S. 'ground'

Homeland security officials doubt the terror plot to blow up U.S.-bound planes over the Atlantic was Osama bin Laden's encore to 9-11.

The White House has described the foiled plot as "a second September 11."

But officials say bin Laden is preparing a larger strike on U.S. soil targeting major U.S. cities. They cite the terror kingpin's message in January in which he warned Americans that sleeper cells were preparing a major new attack "on your own ground."

"Operations are under preparation, and you will see them on your own ground once they are finished, Allah willing," bin Laden said in Arabic.

Some translations have him saying "in the heart of your land" or "in your houses."

The London plot, which may have rivaled 9-11 casualties, still did not involve ground targets.

"While impressive in scale, the damage on the ground would have been limited if anything," a U.S. official said. "It's not the spectacular attack he (bin Laden) is looking for to do maximum damage to our economy."

Terror experts agree.

"There may have been money or a blessing from al-Qaida, but I doubt that this was an operation run by al-Qaida central, by bin Laden himself," says Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit. "It simply wasn't a big enough operation for what they intend, and it didn't occur inside the United States."

Experts say the London plot appears too ad hoc. Planning began only a year ago on the heels of the London subway bombings. Bin Laden's major attacks in the past have involved several years of planning. They've also been led by the A-team of al-Qaida's Martyrdom Brigade, who coordinated with seasoned lieutenants in the network to finance and refine the mission as it developed. The London bomber cells, in contrast, appear to have been composed of fresh recruits who were less disciplined, which may explain why they were caught.

"They're second-stringers," the official said. "He's holding his top operatives in reserve for a bigger operation."

The FBI says there's no evidence al-Qaida has sleeper cells in the U.S.

Of course, that's what the bureau said before 9-11. Former senior DHS official Clark Kent Ervin says the bureau knows of at least 1,000 al-Qaida sympathizers in the U.S. today – a figure he calls "low." And the CIA has presented the FBI director with a list of possible sleeper cell candidates, but he has rejected going after them, arguing they had not yet committed a crime.

Scheuer says bin Laden is lining up his ducks for a massive attack possibly using radiological weapons. The first step, he says, was getting a green light from Saudi clerics to kill possibly millions of Americans with such weapons. Then he offered the U.S. a truce and even recently invited President Bush to convert to Islam – all in keeping with jihadi military doctrine. And he has directly warned the America people on at least two occasions.

As absurd as such moves sound, they are necessary to satisfy any theological concerns among Muslim clerics, Scheuer says. It's more about "preparing Muslims" for the doomsday attacks than Americans.

Experts agree a plausible nightmare scenario involves al-Qaida shipping dirty nukes in uninspected cargo containers bound for ports in New York, New Jersey, Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and near Washington, and then detonating them once they are in position. The technology used could be as simple as GPS transmitters and cell phones. The radiological fallout from the blasts could render the cities uninhabitable for years, crippling the economy.

Experts say that while the disrupted airliner plot is good news, it's not exactly comforting. In 1995, authorities disrupted al-Qaida's so-called Bojinka operation to down planes over the Pacific. Al-Qaida came back six years later with a more spectacular attack targeting New York and Washington.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; bigexplosion; binladen; elvisbinladen; globaljihad; islamicnazis; londonairlineplot; murder; osama; terrorism; terrorist; wot
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To: ASA Vet

Well I can understand the need to not cause panic and fear. But based on the reactions of the past week, the public face of DHS seems very non-chalant.


21 posted on 08/15/2006 9:46:59 AM PDT by rintense
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To: pbear8
I disagree as I believe that they intended to create terror not by just blowing up planes over the Atlantic, but by blowing them up over American cities so the planes parts and luggage and dead bodies would rain over our cities. That would be real psychological terror.

Exactly what I was thinking. I still remember Flight 182 on the morning of September 25, 1978. It smashed into a densely populated neighborhood only a few miles from my house at the time - it was amazing that only 7 people (on the ground) were killed. Had it not been a work day...

Here's an amateur photographer photographed N533PS just before impacting the ground.


22 posted on 08/15/2006 9:52:04 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (A storm is coming...)
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To: BigFinn

I agree. To believe that Osama is not planning something big is foolish. For all we know this "foiled" plot may have been a diversion, intentionally allowing the US/UK to uncover a planned terrorist attack. Security forces would then think Osama is still aiming at some type of attack through the airlines, concentrating our attention on the aviation community. This would be a rope-a-dope strategy, we would then be attacked in a different direction.


23 posted on 08/15/2006 9:53:07 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Trampled by Lambs
Doh! Try this one:


The aircraft crashed after colliding with a Cessna 172 while on a downwind for runway 27 at San Diego. The PSA jet's flight crew was cited at fault for failing to maintain visual separation with the Cessna after reporting it in sight.

If that's not terror, I don't know what is.
24 posted on 08/15/2006 9:57:10 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (A storm is coming...)
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To: Fawn
Experts agree a plausible nightmare scenario involves al-Qaida shipping dirty nukes in uninspected cargo containers bound for ports in New York, New Jersey, Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and near Washington, and then detonating them once they are in position. The technology used could be as simple as GPS transmitters and cell phones. The radiological fallout from the blasts could render the cities uninhabitable for years, crippling the economy.

Have you noticed how the democrats are always barking about containers being searched? We know OBL watches our internal politics closely, looking for opportunities to divide. A couple radiological bombs, brought in via containers, and detonated, would give the Democrats an issue they would try to use to regain power - something OBL prefers - since they seen WOT as a police action and not a war.

25 posted on 08/15/2006 10:08:45 AM PDT by DHerion
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To: Trampled by Lambs

I lived in LA at the time of this crash, I remember it well. They released the cockpit recording sometime later and it was chilling how professional the PSA pilot was as he reported the situation and received the reply that "The equipment has been sent".


26 posted on 08/15/2006 10:11:56 AM PDT by pbear8 (Praying for Steve Centanni and his colleague)
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To: Fawn
"The FBI says there's no evidence al-Qaida has sleeper cells in the U.S."

Sounds like the only ones asleep is th FBI!

Wonder who made that asinine statement??

27 posted on 08/15/2006 10:19:42 AM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: FixitGuy
th = the

And I used th splchequer tu!

28 posted on 08/15/2006 10:21:45 AM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: Fawn
The radiological fallout from the blasts could render the cities uninhabitable for years, crippling the economy.

Sure. That's why nobody lives in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and you can't visit Ground Zero at the White Sands Missile Range.

29 posted on 08/15/2006 10:25:15 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Fawn
"in New York, New Jersey, Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and near Washington,"

Then we nuke Mecca, Riyadh, Tehran, Damascus, Islamabad, and Karachi.
30 posted on 08/15/2006 10:44:10 AM PDT by monday
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To: Fawn; Peach
"The radiological fallout from the blasts could render the cities uninhabitable for years, crippling the economy."

Potassium Iodine anyone? Cheaper than I expected.

31 posted on 08/15/2006 10:52:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Thanks for that link, Blam and for remembering. You'd sent me e-mail about this but we were gone for a few days and then family arrived to visit and I don't think I ever responded. Thanks again - that's saved and calendared to act on after family leaves.


32 posted on 08/15/2006 11:58:28 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Fawn
"Former senior DHS official Clark Kent Ervin. . . "

Ahem. Clark Kent Ervin??

Methinks this guy takes himself way too seriously.

33 posted on 08/15/2006 12:11:08 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: pbear8

"I disagree as I believe that they intended to create terror not by just blowing up planes over the Atlantic, but by blowing them up over American cities so the planes parts and luggage and dead bodies would rain over our cities. That would be real psychological terror."

Maybe. But unless they simultaneously detonated all of them it would be tough to get the job completed. Once the first plane went up the other planes in the air would have been alerted and the passengers on those planes would have torn apart anyone who even looked remotely suspicious.


34 posted on 08/15/2006 12:14:53 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: blam

" Potassium Iodine anyone? Cheaper than I expected."

That has very low radiation levels. Not useful for Osama's purposes.


35 posted on 08/15/2006 12:16:27 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: monday
Then we nuke Mecca, Riyadh, Tehran, Damascus, Islamabad, and Karachi.

Absolutely. The U.S. ought to issue a presidential proclamation that if any U.S. city is hit with a terrorist attack we nuke Mecca the next day.

36 posted on 08/15/2006 12:20:18 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Fawn

Hmm...Some say there is a silver lining in every storm cloud.


37 posted on 08/15/2006 1:04:48 PM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Fawn

They are planning to blow up all the gas stations they operate in the US.


38 posted on 08/17/2006 10:42:46 PM PDT by syriacus (Worried about attacks from Iran or Korea? Daschle wanted to scuttle our missile defense program)
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