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Warning Sign? Some scientists say....ominous future
Daily Herald ^ | Monday, August 14, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/14/2006 9:19:28 AM PDT by palmer

FARALLON NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE, Calif. On these craggy, remote islands west of San Francisco, the largest seabird colony in the contiguous United States throbs with life. Seagulls swarm so thick that visitors must yell to be heard above their cries. Pelicans glide.

But the steep decline of one bird species for the second straight year has rekindled scientists fears that global warming could be undermining the coastal food supply, threatening not just the Farallones but entire marine ecosystems.

[blah blah blah]

Climatologists describe global warming as a worldwide rise in temperatures caused by the buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses thought to trap heat in the atmosphere. Predictions of global warmings effects include rising sea levels, fiercer storms, more wildfires and warmer oceans.

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(Excerpt) Read more at dailyherald.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bushsfault; climatechange; coastalenvironment; globalwarming; oceancooling
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This is a stupid story which I only posted so I could post this link: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/~lyman/Pdf/heat_2006.pdf showing that the oceans are cooling. Worldwide ocean cooling doesn't jive with the theory of manmade global warming, nor, as the authors point out, does it give one confidence in the models which don't show this cooling (nor the one in early 80's).
1 posted on 08/14/2006 9:19:29 AM PDT by palmer
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; cogitator

The oceans are cooling. See link in post #1.


2 posted on 08/14/2006 9:21:59 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: palmer
It is still Bush's fault, because global warming is melting the ice which is mixing with and cooling the ocean water. (/sarcasm)
3 posted on 08/14/2006 9:22:53 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: palmer

Kind of explains all the hurricanes we've had this year.


5 posted on 08/14/2006 9:28:18 AM PDT by MarkeyD (The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: MarkeyD

Yep, plus unfavorable winds. But don't worry, even if we just get one big storm, it will be on the cover of Time magazine.


6 posted on 08/14/2006 9:30:05 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: palmer
The liberals say we have global warming? That is reason enough for me to believe we have global cooling.

Accordingly I have doubled up on my firewood supply for the winter

I have been heating with wood exclusively for 24 years, and every year as I start the first fire of the season, Mrs. Candor7 laughs when I can be heard to exclaim, "You Arab b*stids at OPEC can go straight to hell!"

To add insult to injury I insist on using a 55 gallon oil drum stove.

And the local loggers love it,I having invested about $12,000 dollars in their industry over a 20 year period, unapologetically.

7 posted on 08/14/2006 9:31:44 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Candor7

I am leaning in your direction, although I have an EPA certified stove. On the plus side, both of our stoves are locally made, mine in a factory in VA and yours in someone's shed in VT.


8 posted on 08/14/2006 9:40:02 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Candor7

Ever look at a corn stove?

From your use of the term "logger" in your post, sound like you may be a ways from a corn field though.


9 posted on 08/14/2006 9:45:39 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: palmer
Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

10 posted on 08/14/2006 9:50:21 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: MarkeyD

"Kind of explains all the hurricanes we've had this year."

See. You've got it all wrong.

Global Warming is disrupting the 'natural' flow of weather patterns and that's why there aren't any hurricanes yet.

Bush's fault!!

(liberal wacko rant off)


11 posted on 08/14/2006 9:58:16 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: palmer
It does not matter how stupid this story is. The Global warming advocates are as reckless as ARGORE and this will work with the mental midgets who make up the Democratic Party's base in this country. Almost all of them are fallen victims of the Public Education System in this country.
12 posted on 08/14/2006 10:04:31 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Pookyhead

"And all the birds will die too."

Starting with all of the known population Canadian Geese.


13 posted on 08/14/2006 10:05:58 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Yo-Yo

I've seen that analysis and it's a valid description of the current static situation. But man's CO2 emissions are still increasing (although 1st world countries are steady). So it's the change in concentration and subsequent rise in temperature (1 degree C) that is generally agreed upon. From there however, the alarmists say that increased water vapor will increase temperature much more in a positive feedback. The problem with their theory is that it can't be analyzed statically because water vapor is unevenly distributed by the weather (winds, evaporation, rain). The climate models do not adequately model weather (among other inadequacies) and therefore don't have much if any useful predictive value.


14 posted on 08/14/2006 10:06:14 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: palmer
"remote islands west of San Francisco, the largest seabird colony in the contiguous United States"

LOL
Islands are part of the contiguous US?

Stupid? Right on. Makes one wonder where the author attended school.
15 posted on 08/14/2006 10:09:10 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: ghostrider
It might not be Bush's fault... Since birds are disappearing... has anybody seen Dick Cheney and his shotgun recently?

Coincidence?

16 posted on 08/14/2006 10:12:54 AM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: Candor7

Good for you on heating with wood. Same for us!


17 posted on 08/14/2006 10:16:58 AM PDT by moondoggie
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To: palmer
It's that damn manbearpig.

I'm thuper-therial.

EXCELSIOR!!!

/South Park

18 posted on 08/14/2006 10:23:41 AM PDT by Malacoda (The Posting Police need an enema.)
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To: palmer

Figure 2 of your linked document is particularly interesting, in terms of where the water temperature increases are most pronounced: in the North Atlantic -- which is counterintutive, given that Greenland's melting ice would presumably cause water temperatures to decrease.


19 posted on 08/14/2006 10:45:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: palmer
Blah blah blah blah...
We need to stop supporting these doofuses with our tax dollars.
20 posted on 08/14/2006 10:58:18 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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