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"At War With Islamic Fascists" (Daniel Pipes Alert)
Front Page Magazine ^ | 14 August 2006 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 08/14/2006 4:07:11 AM PDT by unionblue83

In his first response to the major terror airline scare in London, President Bush said on August 10, “The recent arrests that our fellow citizens are now learning about are a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation.”

His use of the term “Islamic fascists” spurred attention and controversy, especially among Islamists.

At a pro-Hezbollah rally in front of the White House, on Aug. 12, the crowd (in the Washington Post’s description) “grew most agitated when speakers denounced President Bush’s references to Islam.” In particular, the president of the Muslim American Society, Esam Omesh, won a massive roar of approval when he (deliberately?) mischaracterized the president’s statement: “Mr. Bush: Stop calling Islam ‘Islamic fascism.’”

Nihad Awad of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called the term “ill-advised” and “counter-productive,” repeating CAIR’s usual conceit that violence in the name of Islam has, in fact, nothing to do with Islam. Even more preposterously, Awad went on to suggest that we “take advantage of these incidents to make sure that we do not start a religious war against Islam and Muslims.”

CAIR’s board chairman, Parvez Ahmed, sent an open letter to President Bush: “You have on many occasions said Islam is a ‘religion of peace.’ Today you equated the religion of peace with the ugliness of fascism.” Actually, Bush did not do that (he equated just one form of “the religion of peace” with fascism), but Ahmed inadvertently pointed to the evolution in the president’s – and the country’s – thinking away from bromides to real thinking.

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1 posted on 08/14/2006 4:07:11 AM PDT by unionblue83
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To: unionblue83

Nihad Awad of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called the term “ill-advised” and “counter-productive,”

And beheading people or blowing up innocent children isn't "ill-advised" and "counter-productive"?

The Perversion of Islam demonstrated once again


2 posted on 08/14/2006 4:14:04 AM PDT by CGblue (CGblue)
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To: unionblue83

Slicing people's heads off while chanting religious ditties is what? Bush was right.


3 posted on 08/14/2006 4:24:32 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Leftism = ideology of nihilism, despair, nothingness +death. That why they like islamic fascists.)
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To: CGblue

CAIR’s board chairman, Parvez Ahmed- your bullsh*t will fly in Manhattan, Boston and kalifornica, but it wont fly in the states/cities with people who possess common sense. We call a spade a spade. Islam is a murderous , savage cult and we are SICK OF IT!


4 posted on 08/14/2006 4:24:50 AM PDT by Jazzman1
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To: unionblue83

"(1) This is hardly the first time Bush has used the term Islamic fascist (or Islamofascist); it has become a part of his routine vocabulary since his path-breaking speech on this subject in October 2005,"

Exactly. I've been saying this since the backlash against his use of the term started last week.
Personally, I agree with Pipes. It's not really the correct term.


5 posted on 08/14/2006 4:30:04 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: unionblue83

The President has called Islam a religion of Peace. He was wrong. It is Satanism pure and simple. It needs to be driven from the face of this earth.


6 posted on 08/14/2006 4:32:25 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: unionblue83
Islamic Fasc is m.

Depends on the meaning of "is".


BUMP

7 posted on 08/14/2006 4:33:04 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: unionblue83

Truth hurts. Now go home and smash all your mirrors so you don't have to face the facts.


8 posted on 08/14/2006 4:40:22 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: unionblue83
(8) The use of Islamic fascists should be seen as part of a decades-long search for the right term to name a form of Islam that is recognizably political, extreme, and often violent. I have already confessed in that I am on my fifth term (having previously used neo-orthodox, fundamentalist, and militant, and now using radical and Islamist). While Islamic fascists beats terrorists, let’s hope that a better consensus term soon emerges. My vote is for Islamists.

I have been going back and forth between Islamofacist and Islamist myself. I believe I agree with Mr. Pipes. I'll use Islamist. An Islamist is a practitioner of Islamism.

9 posted on 08/14/2006 4:40:29 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

"Bush was right."

Not quite. He used two letters and one word too many.
That the protestors equate the actions of what the Pres. called 'islamic fascism' with islam is proof of who our enemy really is.


10 posted on 08/14/2006 4:44:18 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Allan

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11 posted on 08/14/2006 4:44:21 AM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: unionblue83
I have always had a soft spot for "Muslim Mass Murderers".
Since the mid-60s. I don't work for the State Department.

If the shoe fits...

12 posted on 08/14/2006 4:49:28 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Islamic Fascists gets the idea right, but is too cumbersome. That's why I suggested MAZIS, which means Muslims who act like Nazis. Accurate, easy to say, easy to understand. What more is required of a political label?

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13 posted on 08/14/2006 4:53:29 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Have a look-see. Please get involved.)
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To: PogySailor; Valin

Very good link!

"Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism
June 30, 1998"
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/954

Thanks!


14 posted on 08/14/2006 5:10:42 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: unionblue83

Certainly, the term "Fascist" is familiar to Americans; however, American ignorance of the history and of movements within the Muslim world is appalling. Otherwise the President could use "Islamist", "Salafist" or even introduce the Western term "nihilist" to describe the enemy we face.


15 posted on 08/14/2006 5:14:34 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: unionblue83
EIW **



**  Eradicate Islam Worldwide!
16 posted on 08/14/2006 5:18:13 AM PDT by guitar4jesus (Black, Conservative . . . and I vote!)
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To: unionblue83
“Mr. Bush: Stop calling Islam ‘Islamic fascism.’”

Yeah, President Bush, there's no need to be redundant.

I'm glad you've finally gotten off that "religion of peace" claptrap though. You're finally starting to catch up.

The enemy is the world-wide forces of imperialist Islam.

There are different levels of enemies among them, but they all, in the end, support the same thing, whether it's the out-of-the-closet jihadi or the Arab "campus intellectual" promoting Islamist causes.

Whether it's the most wild-eyed Islamist spouting his hate-filled filth in a mosque in Detroit, or that nice middle-eastern guy that runs the convenience store and has such cute kids, they all want the same thing for western civiliation.

What they expect of us, is complete submission to Islam or death. Which makes Muslims, one and all, our potential mortal enemies, because face it, we Americans ain't going to go along with that peacefully.

As for the ones already amongst us - I believe that it will not be long before we realize that we cannot peacefully coexist with them any more than one could endure pitching his tent on a colony of fireants.

I leave you to draw your own conclusioons.

17 posted on 08/14/2006 5:19:39 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: sgtbono2002
The President has called Islam a religion of Peace.

When the President said "Islam is peace," Nihad Awad of CAIR, a declared supporter of Hamas, was standing right next to him. I guess that wasn't enough for Awad, LOL.

18 posted on 08/14/2006 5:22:50 AM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: nuconvert

Whether or not "Islamic fascists" is the correct term to describe the Islamic terrorists, it is a heck of alot better than talking about a "war on terror." And, let's face it, the word "fascist" has very negative connotations for most Americans and Europeans. Putting "leftist" or "communist" after the word "Islamic" would not have the same effect. I'm really glad that Bush is openly linking radical Islam to terrorism.


19 posted on 08/14/2006 5:25:46 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: unionblue83
At a pro-Hezbollah rally in front of the White House, on Aug. 12,...

Too bad something big didn't go BOOM there!

20 posted on 08/14/2006 5:27:05 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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