...to one of my favorite FReepers.
Posted on 08/13/2006 3:27:00 AM PDT by goldstategop
...to one of my favorite FReepers.
It was not killed by killing the person behind it but by planting a new idea and showing them a new way.
Ok it took some major shoves to get them going down that path but once a couple miles down the road they found they liked it. Especially the women and peasants liked it and that meant that a good 70% of the population liked it for sure.
You fight an idea with an idea.
I have to believe it's coming. Sooner or later, Western Civilization is going to reach the end of its patience and we will have a very very bloody reckoning.
I'm not so sure....
Well said.
Sadly, it will take another catastrophe brought by the Religion of Peace before common sense will prevail. Stein nails it.
Depends on the ideas. If the price of believing that drinking water causes the decay of civilization becomes your life, people will stop believing that (except for a small number of complete wackos. They never quite disappear)
But it's impossible to raise the price of believing that God commands you to do something that would otherwise be unthinkable, to be so high that there will be no more people willing to do that.
Still, it's possible to greatly reduce the pool of willing volunteers, even then.
Steyn and the pollmeister have been reading my mail. I was thinking this the other day, that it had to be the case:
"Here's a clue, from a recent Pew poll that asked: What do you consider yourself first? A citizen of your country or a Muslim?
"In the United Kingdom, 7 percent of Muslims consider themselves British first, 81 percent consider themselves Muslim first."
Our problem is, of course, our tolerance. The problem isn't that states don't ban Islam, but that our culture cannot bring itself to mock the tenants of the religion itself.
Read the story of Mohammed and you begin to get the clear sense that he was nothing but a con-man. But our tolerance leads us to the state where we cannot make fun of basic religious tenants (except small-o orthodox Christianity, of course).
The easiest way to kill Islam is to disinfect it with sunlight.
Bump for later reading, and thanks for the Steyn ping, Pokey!
More and more, I am coming to agree with your view. It is time for the mocking to begin. On the flight out of Heathrow on Friday, with my sad little clear baggie in my lap like all the other passengers out of Heathrow that day, I chatted with the seat mate to my left, a nice young man from London who also cannot seem to understand how the Muslims hope to change the hearts and minds of people by threatening to or actually succeeding in blowing up innocent people. We shared a (covert) laugh over the lousy recruiting policy they have. And how confident can they be in the rightness of their religion if they feel they have to kill anyone who wants to get out?
We really have to mock the media too; after all, it is the old media that paints these losers as "suave", or "brave" or "principled" instead of pathetic, unkempt, and distasteful. The shoe bomber, what a fox (blech)! What about that one the media referred to as "suave" who was merely fat, greasy, and repellant?
<< Absent a determination to throttle the IDEOLOGY, we're about to witness the unraveling of the world. >>
In a nutshell!
(Thanks pokey)
<< Islam is no different than Nazism. It is not a religion. >>
Absolutely True.
Islam is an ideology.
And Nazism was simply islamafascism with technology.
<< In (once-great britain,) seven percent of Muslims consider themselves "British" first, eighty-one percent consider themselves Muslim first. >>
Young muslim males in the uk number around one million.
The British Army, nancyboys and girls and clerks and cooks included, numbers around one hundred thousand.
Like all of Eurabia, the Euro-peon Neo-Soviet's offshore satellite state, once known as the "United Kingdom," is doomed.
As: unless we radically surgically remove the rapidly metastisizing cancerous ideology known as islam from our nation's body; are we.
And the necessary kind of men we have not, too. The academia produces tones of pulp "scientific" text on alleged fundamentalist Christian (very bad! very bad!) influence over the West's foreign policy, which leads to Muslim "disenchantment" and the terrorist plots.
They produce this pulp mainly in the Ivy League universities, but the international lefty crowd includes this BS in the curriculum even here, in NZ.
So once again, who'll throttle the alien and evil ideology, when the enemy is right among us?
I believe that the elitists on the left, not the useful idiots, are playing the same game.
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I agree with you, and based on the pattern of the first two decades of the 20th Century, I am terrified of what may be coming in the next ten years.
Certainly not academia, as you mentioned. Unfortunately, the fight against the enemies of civilization will only take place in earnest if/when those enemies score a terrorism success (or series of successes) that far surpass 9/11 in both body count and damage to the world economy. Short of that, we'll be stuck in a defensive, PC "winning hearts and minds" mode that will serve only to encourage them.
"For them - the highest loyalty is to Islam, not a particular country."
True, but the same thing can be said of anyone in any country that takes their religion seriously. When the faithful have to choose between loyalty to God or to country, God usually wins.
The difference is that freedom of religion should generally remove any conflict of loyalty. Islam is about as opposed to freedom of religion as you can get, Christianity supports it. Thats why Christians are more likley to die for their faith than kill for it.
The only solution is that we have to get as serious as the Islamofacists are about winning this war.
No holds barred.
We can't reason with them. We can't make bargains with them. No amount of diplomacy or concessions will ever change the fact that they want to kill us and rule over us with an iron Islamic-Nazi fist.
Sadly, we will likely have to be attacked again on our own soil before the sheeple will realize this.
Like you, I think this is, unfortunately, correct.
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