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Why the Islamists will never win
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 08/12/06 | Rosemary Righter

Posted on 08/11/2006 2:37:23 PM PDT by Pokey78

Their loathing for the "decadence" of Western society prevents the terrorists from knowing their enemy

HAD THE FIRST of what could have been a “wave” of attacks on long-haul flights from this country not been averted, it would have been a hideous tragedy for thousands of victims and their family members. It would have sent a shiver through millions more and caused costly but probably short-lived economic disruption.

A second or third set of assaults would have been far more serious. Had the suicide-murderers pulled off the same deadly trick a few days or weeks later, when security services were still at maximum alert, the psychological impact would have been many times greater than the physical and economic damage inflicted. As has been seen in Baghdad, successive atrocities are inherently more terrifying than one-off events because they instil a sense of despair.

The propagandists and instigators of Islamist terror would have trumpeted these multiple mass murders as a great victory — and millions of horrified people would have agreed. But in this deadly confrontation, what has to be remembered is that the terrorists can never win. Their apocalyptic vision of a world violently subjugated to their benighted interpretation of the will of Allah is unattainable.

The goal of this singularly nihilistic terrorist movement is not to keep airline passengers from carrying their spectacles in cases and make them do without laptops and even, somewhat absurdly, books. It is to convince the societies that Islamist extremists seek to destroy that nothing — neither individual and collective vigilance nor the sophisticated resources of the modern state buttressed — can protect them and their way of life from fanatics who hold mercy in contempt and exult in killing themselves as they kill. That the only certainties are that whatever defences we mount, the terrorists will adjust their targets and their tactics to circumvent them, and that the more resilient we prove, the greater will be our danger because they will eventually master still deadlier methods of destruction.

Terrorism is the Islamist movement’s greatest strength, because small cells of thoroughly indoctrinated terrorists are, in this game, effective force-multipliers. In the countries targeted by al-Qaeda and its offshoots and imitators, they need only to recruit a minute proportion of disaffected Muslim youths to have an impact way out of proportion to the loyalty, within that country’s community, that the extremists in fact inspire. In Britain, even if 99 per cent of the Muslim community were resolutely set against Islamist terrorism — a higher proportion than polls show to be the case — that would still leave a potential base of 15,000 in a population with a higher than average number in the 16-25 age bracket.

The bloody infantry of terror is not necessarily poor; not only in the West, but also in the Arab and Asian worlds, the terrorists’ “star” recruits tend rather to be relatively well educated, resentful young men who see Muslims as the modern world’s losers and are seduced by the idea of “holy revenge” against the forces that, they have been persuaded, have defiled the purity of the “City of God” through the spread of man-made law and secular authority, and thus denied Islam the supremacy anciently willed for it by Allah.

But reliance on terrorism is also the great weakness of Islamist extremism. To remain undetected, these cells must be self-enclosed and obsessively secretive. Successful guerrilla movements “swim in the sea of the people”, as Mao Zedong famously put it. Even where terrorists attract admiration, they end up by wrecking the home base. The more attacks they launch, the greater the harm to other Muslims, either because terrorist attacks are deliberately indiscriminate; or because, as in Luxor, Marrakesh and Indonesia, their targets are not only tourist infidels but the “corrupting” tourism industry upon which millions of livelihoods depend. There is no modus vivendi with groups that define all those who question their obscurantist distortions of Islam as “enemies of the Faith” and consider compromise a mortal sin, so societies have to choose. Once these cancer cells have become established, it may take long and terrible civil wars, as it did in Algeria and may in Palestine and, yet again, in Afghanistan, to wither them. But Islamist terrorists cannot ultimately rely on acquiring critical mass, the secret of all successful revolutions.

In its confrontation with the West, Islamist terrorism suffers from another weakness, one that its adherents do not recognise, and that anxious Western publics may also not see. It does not understand its enemy.

It may not look like that this week. Is not the boot on the other foot? Do not open and free-moving societies present wide-open targets to ruthless agents whose mindset is too alien for us to penetrate? This week’s impressive intelligence and police operation must strike many people as a success that only brings to mind the proverbial needle in the haystack.

Yet we know in broad terms what we mean when we talk about defending ourselves. They do not know what it would take to subdue us — if, even, they know what that means beyond depriving moderate Islam of friends or protection — because they do not want to know who we are. They are blinded by the virulence of their hate.

We have observed with alarm how Islamist extremists have warped the minds of young people who have grown up apparently well adjusted to British life. In the course of their indoctrination, there comes a point when their previous loyalties and affections are blanked out, rejected as the detritus of the time wasted before they became mustanbat, armed warriors of Allah. Recruits to Islamist terror are drilled in contempt as well as loathing for the cowardice, decadence and moral corruption of Western societies. But the cities of the damned are not as devoid of backbone as they are taught to believe. The “weeds in the Garden of Allah” have tough roots.

Extremism contains within itself the forces of its own destruction. Islamist terrorism has funds and adherents in plenty. To say that Islamist terrorists cannot win is not to underestimate the dangers they pose or the difficulty of keeping the threat within manageable proportions. Its agents will strike again, and they may land more than one hammer blow. But it cannot overwhelm the West; and it has nothing to offer Muslims but violence and delusion. The doctrine is bankrupt. This is a movement at war with the human instinct for survival, an instinct that has never failed eventually to prevail.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; crushislam; islam; islamicfascists; islamicnazis; islamisadeathcult; islamisevil; islamofascism; islamonaziism; muslim; muslims; trop; wot
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To: Pokey78

Sooner or later the Islamocrazies will hit the Chinese who are not troubled by PC restraints.


21 posted on 08/11/2006 2:58:50 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Pokey78
Hillary will stop them.


Photo by Adnan Hajj courtesy of Reuters News Service

22 posted on 08/11/2006 3:00:01 PM PDT by AndrewB
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To: Pokey78

They'll never win because Islamic historian Muhammad Ibn Al-Rawandi’s says that it isn’t possible for an intelligent, educated Westerner to convert to such a religion without committing “mental suicide.”


23 posted on 08/11/2006 3:01:35 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated)
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To: peyton randolph

That is one righteous burqa.


24 posted on 08/11/2006 3:07:38 PM PDT by TChad
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To: umgud

The only way to beat the terrorists is to throw out political correctness, face reality and realize who the enemy is. We need to squash those who support and finance them (Iran, Syria, etc.).


Yes, indeed. However, let's not forget domestic enemies, most notably the ACLU, CAIR, and the New York Times (and the rest of the leftist media). These organizations are every bit as dangerous to this country as the islamic fascists. And they certainly are in need of some serious squashing.

25 posted on 08/11/2006 3:09:18 PM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: Lady Jag

The two best things we could ever do to the mideast is first to educate them (it's hard to turn someone into a human missile when they're doing their own thinking.

The second is to infect them with liberalism. Maybe it seems strange coming from a conservative but it's the truth. Liberalism takes the fight out of a population in a hurry.


26 posted on 08/11/2006 3:10:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Darteaus94025

Cause sooner or later, someone is going to drop a nuke on them.

Yup...I believe this will be in response to them nuking us or Isreal. Then and only then will the gloves come off and it will be ....Game On Mofo!!!


27 posted on 08/11/2006 3:11:03 PM PDT by Lonestar_50
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To: Pokey78
The Islamic mind does not believe that Islam needs to convince the West of joining them. That is the job of of the Mahdi or 12th Imam. All they need to do is stir up enough chaos, and as each successive terrorist attack fails to bring about the coming of the Mahdi , the failure will be explained away with the response that we have reached the "Chaos Tripping Point".
28 posted on 08/11/2006 3:22:57 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Pokey78

Looks to me like they just won in Lebanon, could win in Iraq,
and will soon be armed with nukes.


29 posted on 08/11/2006 3:26:02 PM PDT by motorola7
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To: cripplecreek
Liberalism takes the fight out of a population in a hurry.

I'm with you on this because I've observed that Muslim fascists already seem to be on the same intellectual level as Democrats. What I haven't been able to find out yet is are they idiots, morons or cretins? Thoughts?   : )

30 posted on 08/11/2006 3:29:20 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated)
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To: Lonestar_50
Cause sooner or later, someone is going to drop a nuke on them.

I believe that time is nearly at hand.

The coming weeks will be some of the momentous in Histroy IMHO.

I just hope and pray it all works out.

And plan for it not to.

Cheers,

knewshound

Latest Column  The Last Normal Day 21 Aug 2006
31 posted on 08/11/2006 3:33:00 PM PDT by knews_hound (Driving Liberals nuts since 1975 !)
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To: TChad
That is one righteous burqa.
And she's Jewish! ;-)
32 posted on 08/11/2006 3:34:53 PM PDT by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: AndrewB

You bastage, you freaking bastage. NOW I have to go, not only wash my eyes, but scrub out my optical cortex. Thanks for nothing.


33 posted on 08/11/2006 4:05:49 PM PDT by RoadGumby
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To: knews_hound

The bombing of the planes (the one just stopped) was scheduled for 8-16-2006, not 8-22.


34 posted on 08/11/2006 4:45:43 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Darteaus94025
Cause sooner or later, someone is going to drop a nuke on them.

Even more ... drive us to the extreme and their mosques will be burned and their Iman and leaders found hanging from lamp posts ..

35 posted on 08/11/2006 5:42:59 PM PDT by clamper1797 (If you don't read the newspapers you're uninformed ... if you do you're misinformed.)
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To: sure_fine

Nukes, IMO.


36 posted on 08/11/2006 5:59:54 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: Pokey78
From the article:
The goal of this singularly nihilistic terrorist movement is not to keep airline passengers from carrying their spectacles in cases and make them do without laptops and even, somewhat absurdly, books. It is to convince the societies that Islamist extremists seek to destroy that nothing — neither individual and collective vigilance nor the sophisticated resources of the modern state buttressed — can protect them and their way of life from fanatics who hold mercy in contempt and exult in killing themselves as they kill. That the only certainties are that whatever defences we mount, the terrorists will adjust their targets and their tactics to circumvent them, and that the more resilient we prove, the greater will be our danger because they will eventually master still deadlier methods of destruction.
A perfect explanation of why this cease fire agreed to today will never, ever work.

The only thing that will work is massive radical muzzie death.

I suspect, deep down inside where they live, most Western leaders know this is the only long term solution. Unfortunately, their heads are so filled with politically correct bullsh!t that it will take massive death and destruction on our side before they get truly serious.

FWIW, I saw World Trade Center today. Very depressing movie. But a good reminder... NEVER FORGET!

37 posted on 08/11/2006 6:06:38 PM PDT by upchuck (Rooooooooters ~ Giving smoke and mirrors a bad name since 1937.)
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To: Pokey78
A delusional article. They understand the unwillingness of the west to get off its backside and fight them only too well. And they do not require mass support, they will just use weapons that kill masses without asking for anybody's support.
38 posted on 08/11/2006 8:10:23 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Pokey78

bttt


39 posted on 08/11/2006 8:12:00 PM PDT by shield ( A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Continental Soldier
All very interesting, but in the end, the Islam Fascist murders must be dealt with now.

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The power of appeasement is a dominant theme in the West. Europe is awash in it. A few bombs here and there killing a few thousand is considered by this logic more desirable than the mobilization of vast armadas of weaponry and soldiers.
Democrats in the US earnestly believe that finessing terrorism by reducing its impact through diplomatic gestures will create a safer world. Appeasers believe that terrorism is a relatively minor issue best dealt with by increasing the effective use of policing and the courts. They would lull us into a serene bliss.
Most appeasers believe that our current frontal attack on terrorism increases the likelihood of far more terrible attacks against us. They are convinced that we are creating enemies in the name of destroying enemies. This Even the annihilation of a major US or European city will only reinforce the appeaser's belief that we reap a whirlwind of our own making.
Tragically, the American people are not yet shaken from their lethargy. The sleeping giant yet sleeps, comforted by the corrupt teats of Marxist tyrants, the zealots of the Democrat party. Appeasement is the tool of tyrants. It creates the lie of false security. Into that lie profoundly evil men bring terrible retribution.
When evil men persuade harrowed masses that our current policies are corrupt failures they will gain the power and position to bring death to us all. Following the failure of their appeasements major cities will be utterly destroyed. In their madness they will bring a true Armageddon upon us all.
In the denouement of political analysis the party of appeasement must be ignored. Indeed, it must be treated with the contempt and derision its adherents heap upon our leadership.
We must fight this war here and now and defeat the cancerous madness that grows out of Tyrannical regimes that spawn terrorism. If we do not, the war that will follow our cowardice will end all that we know and love.
40 posted on 08/11/2006 8:48:12 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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