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Arrogance, ignorance invite disaster (GREELEY ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | August 11, 2006 | ANDREW GREELEY

Posted on 08/11/2006 4:23:32 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

In a war, as Secretary Rumsfeld says, stuff happens. Things go wrong, sometimes a lot goes wrong, on occasion everything goes wrong. Then you have a fiasco (the title of the best book about Iraq, written by Thomas E. Ricks).

Military history is filled with fiasco stories -- the French army at Agincourt or the Union army at Fredericksburg. A more recent fiasco was Operation Market Garden in the autumn of 1944, a scheme cooked up by British Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery. The Germans, driven out of France, were falling back behind the Siegfried line. Montgomery desperately wanted to win the war by himself. The plan was for his British 2nd Army to run around the end of the line and go on to Berlin. Three airborne divisions (two American, one British) would secure bridges over the Rhine at Nijmegen, Enthoven and Arnheim. An armored corps of the 2d Army would drive up the road, cross the Rhine and strike into Germany.

It was an ingenious scheme, at least on paper. It turned into a fiasco (recorded in the book A Bridge Too Far and a film of the same name). The U.S. airborne divisions captured the first two bridges. The British failed to capture the bridge at Arnheim and their armored corps moved too slowly. The English paratroop division was destroyed and the war went on. Why the failure? Market Garden was developed in less than two weeks. The intelligence was inadequate. There were more Germans moving into Holland than Montgomery realized. There were not enough paratroop divisions. The armored corps was not strong enough and moved too slowly. The causes: arrogance and ignorance. The result: fiasco.

This paradigm matches the Iraq war: terrible intelligence, inadequate planning, not enough troops, underestimating the enemy. More arrogance and ignorance. Only the size of the fiasco is much larger, a terrible blow to the U.S. military and American prestige for the next decade. The pessimism among American leaders at the Senate Committee last week was palpable. There might be a civil war and, if there is, there is little America can do but get out of the way. Probably the worst fiasco in American history, worse than Pearl Harbor.

In the years to come people will ask why did they do it? They had been warned about what would happen and they went ahead anyway. The Congress and the media did not protest. Were they out of their minds?

The answer, I suspect, is yes, we all were out of our minds. Osama bin Laden in his wildest dreams could not have imagined that the United States would have responded to the World Trade Center attack with such madness. Ricks, the Washington Post's Pentagon reporter, points out that the columnists and editorial writers at his paper and the New York Times supported the war at the beginning.

Most of these writers, sentinels against government failures, have changed their minds as sanity begins to return, but they have yet to admit their mistakes and take responsibility. Thomas Friedman of the Times, its all-purpose pontifical expert on the Middle East, has finally announced, yes, it is time to call a peace conference among Iraq parties and get out. Where was he three years ago? Why doesn't he admit flat-out that he was wrong and apologize? Why doesn't he say that he was swept along by the 9/11 frenzy and the blatant lies of the administration, and that he ought to have known better? Why doesn't he credit those of us who warned all along that Iraq was worse even than Vietnam? Why doesn't he concede he, too, failed the American people by not standing up to the frenzy sweeping the country? Why doesn't he criticize the media, which propounded the false cliché that America would never be the same again and the misleading shibboleth "war on global terror''?

Arrogance and ignorance were not limited to the administration. Friedman, David Brooks, Robert Kagan and James Hoagland failed in their duty to cry "hold, enough!" We should not permit them to change their minds until they admit full responsibility for the fiasco, which has given bin Laden his biggest victory yet.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; War on Terror
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Well, this jackass Greeley certainly stays on message, you have to say that much for him. Why bin Laden, if indeed he is still around in some hole somewhere, would consider his client in Baghdad getting his sorry ass kicked his "biggest victory yet" is beyond me.
1 posted on 08/11/2006 4:23:33 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Doesn't the headline sound like Greeley is talking about himself?


2 posted on 08/11/2006 4:25:11 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Chi-townChief
Well he got it right. The arrogance of the Democrat Party Leadership , combined with the willing ignorance of mindless political bigots like Mr Greeley, is inviting the USA to a disaster of their own making. Let's hope the voters are smart enough to say "Screw YOU losers."
3 posted on 08/11/2006 4:32:26 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (A proportionate response would be the indiscriminate slaughter of Western journalists)
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To: Chi-townChief

Can somebody please explain how a gadfly, queer pseudo-priest qualifies as a military expert? Just wondering...


4 posted on 08/11/2006 4:34:08 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (It takes a big man to cry. It takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man.)
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To: Chi-townChief

He certainly is a jackass.

And he is wrong on a number of points on his history.

1) Monty was not out to 'win the war' by himself.

2) The Germans were certainly not 'falling back'.

3) There were enough britsh paratroopers.

4) The British paratroopers did secure the bridge at Arnheim if the assault had remained on schedule.

5) The entire assault did move too slowly due to a ferocious Germand defense - particularly since they were required to attack down a single road with boggy ground on both ends.

6) Recon had failed to notice (or decided to ignore) the arrival of a German panzer group that was put there for R&R.

7) The almost total loss of the paratroops was not great. However, the attack was not a fiasco in and of itself. A lot of ground was taken.

8) As the movie says - it was a 'Bridge to Far'. A less ambitious advance would have been a total victory - but would have given up the chance for a total breakout.

9) When you are up against a determined and vicious enemy - you are going to take casualties. Often the daring assault, the blitzkreig, achieves a great victory for far fewer losses than anyone could dare imagine. Witness the German blitzes at the start of the war.


5 posted on 08/11/2006 4:39:12 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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Well Mr. Greeley, who won WWII?

Wars always have setbacks, lost battles and dark times. War is hell. It isn't some clean theoretical procedure.

Despite the hits we took we pressed on. And that's what it always takes to succeed on the big things in life.

To say the Iraqi "failure" is worse than Vietnam is just plain laughable. 50,000 Americans were dead at the end of the Vietnam war. Millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese paid the ultimate price for our failure. And they paid due to the likes of you.
6 posted on 08/11/2006 5:03:06 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Chi-townChief

Of course just like all liberals he criticizes but offers no alternate plan


7 posted on 08/11/2006 5:31:43 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: DB

Does Mr. Greely know that a rougue wave sunk a ship in the British Channel, killing 2,000 men aboard it in a training exercise for D-Day? Was Eisenhower "incompetent"?


8 posted on 08/11/2006 5:55:03 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Chi-townChief

I thought from the headline that the article was about the NYT until I saw (GREELY ALERT).


9 posted on 08/11/2006 6:11:41 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I fully agree with your rendition of the facts. Mr. Greeley should stick to writing fiction. In his world, leftist leaders are never driven by personal and base motives, but only by high principles and the greater good of mankind. That certainly describes Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, ...NOT!


10 posted on 08/11/2006 6:13:59 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Why doesn't Greeley get honest and just do the IRA thing and kneecap our government, our military, and the Iraqi people?

Greeley knows enough about human nature to know men like him are aiding the enemy. Greeley doesn't know much about our fight for freedom.

In 1778, three years into our fight for freedom, one of Washington's top spies, Abraham Woodhull, (a member of the Culper Spy Ring on Long Island) had this to say.

"I cannot bear the thoughts of the war continuing another year, as could wish to see an end of this great distress.

Were I to undertake to give and account of the sad destruction that the enemy makes within these lines I shoul fail. They have no regard to age, sex, Whig or Tory.

I lament to hear [of the] civil dissensions among you [the Congress] at Philadelphia.

I think them very alarming.

It sinks the spirits of our suffering friends here and pleases the enemy.

Cannot the disturbers see that they are working their own ruin.

Is there no remedy to apply.

Better they be cut off from the land of the living than to be suffered to go on."

p95, Washington's Spies, by Alexander Rose...
11 posted on 08/11/2006 8:11:09 AM PDT by syriacus (A vote 4 Lamont is a vote 4 the right of abusive men to kill women + children, here + abroad.)
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