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Radioactive Decay Not Always Constant?
Physics Web ^ | 31 July 2006 | Edwin Cartlidge

Posted on 08/08/2006 9:40:52 AM PDT by Sopater

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This would reduce the half-lives of á-decay or â+-decay, and increase half-lives for processes involving electrons (which are repelled by the free electrons within the metal), i.e. â–-decay and electron capture.

Any experts out there care to comment?
1 posted on 08/08/2006 9:40:53 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Weirder things have been true, so further investigation is reasonale.

But Madonna is a huge propoent, so I have serious doubts.


2 posted on 08/08/2006 9:43:31 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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It's pretty simple. You cool an alpha emitter and measure the decay rate. If the physicists in Germany are correct, this should be easily reproducible. If they expect to greatly reduce the decay rate the effect should be dramatic - reducing the decay rate by 0.0003% isn't going to help much.

Of course the usual cast of ...scientifically challenged... posters are going to overwhelm this thread of cries of "See, they've proven that decay rates change. It's a young world afterall!" La te da.

3 posted on 08/08/2006 9:46:47 AM PDT by blowfish
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If true, this could be a huge boon to the nuclear power industry and another knife in the heart of OPEC and it's fanatical beneficiaries/parasites. That day can't come soon enough for me.


4 posted on 08/08/2006 9:49:23 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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According to Nick Stone, a nuclear physicist recently retired from Oxford University, physicists have already carried out experiments in which they cooled alpha emitters to 4 K and below, but found no significant changes in their half-lives.

Obviously, you've gotta deal with reality. If there is no change, then there is no change. But if there is a change, then there is a change. The mere fact that someone has done a prior experiment that showed one thing does not necessarily mean that the matter is not worth revisiting, though.

5 posted on 08/08/2006 9:50:10 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Plus, other than ingestion danger, alpha emitters aren't much of a worry as waste. What about neutrons, gammas, and betas?


6 posted on 08/08/2006 9:52:07 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Crazier than a rattlesnake at a Thai wedding)
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To: Sopater

my cold fusion reactor is not working properly.
please help


7 posted on 08/08/2006 9:54:04 AM PDT by greasepaint
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Of course the usual cast of ...scientifically challenged... posters are going to overwhelm this thread

HA! I hear you blowfish! They'll also say things like "It's pretty simple", implying that you're an idiot if you don't see things the way that they do, and it "isn't going to help much", implying that no matter what science shows, it won't change the way they think about the age of the earth. Silly anti-scientists...
8 posted on 08/08/2006 9:55:32 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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Strange things happen in physics when the temperature approaches absolute zero. Superconduction, a "fourth state" of matter, as relates to liquid helium, appears, and the near-cessation of all molecular movement seems to collapse the very atomic structure of most elements. There may be a very simple explanation of how the alpha-emitter decay of radioactive materials is apparently vastly accelerated.


9 posted on 08/08/2006 9:55:38 AM PDT by alloysteel (My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling, but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places.)
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We need some experiments with Alpha-emitters in cold Drude Metals. Should be pretty cheap. Hope it works out and turns into a useful technology.


10 posted on 08/08/2006 9:55:39 AM PDT by agere_contra
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I'm not an expert, particularly, but this sounds a lot like cold fusion to me. We shall see.


11 posted on 08/08/2006 9:58:38 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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The only folks talking about that stuff on this thread are ... you two. That strawman you're beating is quite dead, I think.


12 posted on 08/08/2006 10:03:13 AM PDT by r9etb
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I'm not an expert, particularly, but this sounds a lot like cold fusion to me. We shall see.

This isn't cold fusion, its CON-fusion...............

13 posted on 08/08/2006 10:04:52 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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Doesn't a material lose its "identity" at absolute zero? Can't the nucleus and electron shells collapse and then re-assimilate into something else?........


14 posted on 08/08/2006 10:06:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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Of course the usual cast of ...scientifically challenged... posters are going to overwhelm this thread of cries of "See, they've proven that decay rates change. It's a young world afterall!" La te da.

As a YEC, I can't see how this explains anything on the timescale. The temps required are far below anything that would occur naturally, so this technique is probably not an explanation.

15 posted on 08/08/2006 10:08:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Sopater

One of the scientists that I worked with over 20 years ago had an idea about accelerating nuclear decay with powerful magnetic fields. Have not heard anything since then.


16 posted on 08/08/2006 10:08:39 AM PDT by darth
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Sounds like someone wants Funding $$$.


17 posted on 08/08/2006 10:10:49 AM PDT by Zathras
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Radioactive materials emit heat. The lower the temperature to be maintained, the less energy efficient the cooling. Thus, IF the claims are true, accelerated radioactive decay would also mean accelerated heat production which would require tremendous energy for the cooling. A self-defeating proposition.


18 posted on 08/08/2006 10:15:20 AM PDT by GSlob
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"Any experts out there care to comment?"

I wrote a whole book on Yucca Mountain, though I'm not really a nuclear expert, just a mechanical engineer. That said, the problem with the schemes to irradiate the waste and knock to a lower state was the problem of unintended consequences. That is, you also make radioactive the containers and metal so it is possible to end up with more volume of waste than you started (even if it is less radioactive), transuranics get created. I suspect similar problems might exist here.


19 posted on 08/08/2006 10:22:18 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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cooling the metal to a few degrees kelvin

Tsk, tsk! Physicsweb should know better. You don't use 'degrees' with kelvin.

http://lamar.colostate.edu/%7Ehillger/temps.htm

20 posted on 08/08/2006 10:22:18 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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