[sine_nomine]

IE? Intelligent evolution? Sounds goofy and also old hat to me.

[Blueflag]

Before the flame wars begin, let me be (among) the first to say I HAVE ACTUALLY READ HIS BOOK.

For those who have READ HIS BOOK and disagree with what he writes, I challenge you to refute what he writes either logically or scripturally.

I have my areas of disagreement with him/his thought, but they are trivial.

Let's try to have a civil thread.

[Blueflag]

For what it's worth, the author MAKES A SPECIFIC DISTINCTION between Intelligent Design and intelligent design; Creationism and God's Creation. He carefully segregates the thinking/theology from the 'movement'/politics. Also he is clear about his uncertainty (wisdom yet to be revealed) about a Deist or Theist model for God.

If you have not read his book, I challenge you to avoid attacks.

[GarySpFc]

Francis Collins may be an Evangelical Christian, but he obviously does not know his theology. My best friend hass a PhD in theology from Duke and considered himself a theistic evolutionist. I spent a couple of years showing him exactly what the Darwinists are saying, and he now agrees their views are atheistic.

[Blueflag]

SirLinks -- have you read the book? just curious ...

[sully777]

I have not read the book. But I am curious if this ID theory falls under the Gap Theory--the theory that states the Deity created the universe at the Big Bang then the created "natural laws" played out in a micro-evolutionary processes until Satan rebelled in a cosmic war. Then the Deity RECREATED/REFORMED the world in six days...which is where Genesis picks up the story. And from there, as the theory goes, the micro-evolutionary process has played out since the recreation until "the restoration of all things" which constitutes the third and forth creations (spirit-beings created and world renewel)?

[Blueflag]

"I believe Collins misrepresents Intelligent Design, and it appears that he hasn't followed the latest rounds in the scientific debate."

Collins has issues with the Capital I Capital D movement and the argument of some of its proponents, he does not refute the role of God in His creation. He makes a decent case against 'the God of Gaps' -- where people explain gaps in knowledge by labeling them to be 'what God did' -- only to be undermined by subsequent 'fact'. Don't try to prove God by pointing to gaps in what we can currently explain is his point (because it provides ammunition to atheist and/or agnostic 'scientists''.

[Blueflag]

BTW, the second half of the title is "A Scienteist Presents Evidence for Belief".

This book is very sensitive to the believer, yet directly challenging to the agnostic or atheist scientist.

Be brave and read this book. Your awe and respect for God will only be enhanced.

[tophat9000]

a staunch Darwinist, and a prominent critic of Intelligent Design.

"the majesty and beauty of God's creation overwhelmed my resistance

Man this has to be the most logically inconsistent position Ive ever seen if he believes the first the second can not be true ... even if he believes God program things to evolve to the majesty and beauty that he attributes to God that is Intelligent Design....

To be a staunch Darwinist, and a prominent critic of Intelligent Design then accept your own premise that unintelligent unthinking inert utilitarian forces acting on life, shaped things..you either attribute what you see to some intelligent direction or you don't

[TXnMA]

Heads up! This one could be interesting...

[Just mythoughts]

Christ said let NO man deceive you..... Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.

[MonroeDNA]

I am glad that ID folks are very sincere in their beliefs.

I admire anyone who is that passionate.

I do wish they would go away, but that is not going to happen.


Bahbull thumpers, and ID folks (same thing) are here to stay.

RR was great, but he made a huge mistake embracing religeous nutjobs. Perhaps it was worth it at the time, but today, it is a huge handicap.

These nutjobs believe in noah's ark. They believe the red sea parted. They believe a virgin gave birth. They see Mary in a piece of toast. They believe the bible is infallable.

Taliban christians.

[freedumb2003]

"It takes a whole book to instantiate what many of us already know" placemarker.

[thehumanlynx]

ping

[SuziQ]

Bump for later reading.