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Israel's vaunted tanks are succumbing to Hezbollah's powerful missiles
AP ^ | Aug. 4, 2006 | Benjamin Harvey

Posted on 08/05/2006 3:28:44 AM PDT by robert jones

JERUSALEM – Hezbollah's sophisticated anti-tank missiles are perhaps the guerrilla group's deadliest weapon in Lebanon fighting, with their ability to pierce Israel's most advanced tanks.

Experts say this is further evidence that Israel is facing a well-equipped army in this war, not a ragtag militia.

Hezbollah has fired Russian-made Metis-M anti-tank missiles and owns European-made Milan missiles, the army confirmed on Friday.

In the last two days alone, these missiles have killed seven soldiers and damaged three Israeli-made Merkava tanks – mountains of steel that are vaunted as symbols of Israel's military might, the army said. Israeli media say most of the 44 soldiers killed in four weeks of fighting were hit by anti-tank missiles.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; israel; merkava; tank
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To: Made in USA
yw, made, they do have some great pics, and seem astonishingly apolitical. Curiously, I've got quite a hankerin' for baklava after visiting that site! :)
101 posted on 08/05/2006 2:08:32 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: robert jones
Israel's vaunted tanks are succumbing to Hezbollah's powerful missiles

I really, really hate the MSM. They can't simply report, they have to taunt like fifth-graders.

They did the same thing to the Americans before Second Fallujah (which shut them up and seemed to immediately end the "the insurgents are winning" meme, and forced them to move on to the "Civil War" theme).

102 posted on 08/05/2006 2:19:16 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: leadpenny

What new meaning? C'mon, let's hear your defense of Hezbollah, as an organization, and their latest Iran enabled/directed actions against Israel.

I contend supporting Israel is supporting civilization against chaos. A righteous victim against terrorists. Good against evil. Yeah. That's my "bias". So let's hear yours.

Oh, and maybe you'd like to refute the characterization of the MSM as liberally biased, based on facts and "truth" you're so even-handedly versed in. I cited you a UCLA study from 2005 that's chock full of facts supporting my contention.



104 posted on 08/05/2006 2:25:29 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: robert jones
Israel is losing the war...blah, blah, blah

United States is losing the war...blah, blah, blah

Yada, yada, yada...they should just pull out.

Such a broken record...

Israel and USA will continue to do the work most others won't do, and I'm going out to garden, while saying a special decisive victory prayer for the Israeli and American and Coalition troops! God Bless them all.

AP...write when you actually get a story!

105 posted on 08/05/2006 2:29:57 PM PDT by NordP (The NEW YORK TIMES - All The News Jihadists Can Use! .....(RL 06/28/06))
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To: robert jones
Israel's vaunted tanks are succumbing to Hezbollah's powerful missiles

Any questions which side the AP is on? Sheesh.

Tanks may be nearing the end of their product cycle. When I was in armor school at Fort Knox, we were taught that a tank is "a 55 ton infantryman" meaning it can be knocked out by one shot from one enemy troop with the appropriate weapon. That was in 1972, and it appears still to be true today.

106 posted on 08/05/2006 2:32:08 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: olderwiser

Exactly right. It's a study of, and not a definition of the MSM.

What my bias is is irrelevant. Whatever it is, it's neither good nor bad. Just like yours, it's in the eye of the beholder. I don't really care what your is either. What I find comical is that you were trying to tell me what my bias should be on this thread. Zeig Heil!


107 posted on 08/05/2006 2:42:36 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

You're a top-notch non-debator alright. Afraid to commit? I said the media is liberally biased. You believe otherwise? Prove it or shut up.

You think backing Israel in their war is a "bias"? Say how!

I say you can't. Period.


108 posted on 08/05/2006 2:46:52 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: leadpenny

"What my bias is is irrelevant."

Yeah. You're irrelevant, all right.


109 posted on 08/05/2006 2:49:48 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: olderwiser

From Websters:

MSM n. purveyors of liberal bias in the form of "information"; especially those pretending "even-handedness" in doing so

There. That's my definition.


110 posted on 08/05/2006 2:59:18 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: hinckley buzzard

Nothing is invulnerable on the battlefield...combined arms tactics make it about as safe an endeavor as it ever will be short of the automation of some armor.


111 posted on 08/05/2006 3:10:58 PM PDT by dogcaller
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To: olderwiser

Maybe someone else would want you to put your words in their
mouth. Brown shirt tactics won't work with me, Adolf. You lose.


112 posted on 08/05/2006 4:29:44 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: MNJohnnie

You have to scale that up for Israel's population of 6M vs our population of 300M. It's like 2200 American soldiers getting killed each week, much worse than the Vietnam war.


113 posted on 08/05/2006 5:04:43 PM PDT by robert jones
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To: FreedomPoster

Enough to know they don't protect you from everything, but if you're running around, taking small arms fire, they are good to get behind until you find something better.


114 posted on 08/05/2006 5:25:16 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Turbo Pig

And too slow also.


115 posted on 08/05/2006 5:26:56 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: steamroller
Israel had problems against the Egyptian "Sand Forts" also in the 73 War. The wire-guided AT missiles (Saggers) caused them problems, but you know what, they figured out how to get over it...and they will again this time.

The number of tanks damaged and destroyed isn't that high. It is nothing compared to WWII. It is just the MSM hyperventilating again.

116 posted on 08/05/2006 5:36:20 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: leadpenny

Okay, Ava...


117 posted on 08/05/2006 5:37:15 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: leadpenny

You called me a Nazi. Okay. You win. Boy, I'm never gonna argue with you again.


118 posted on 08/05/2006 5:41:36 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: leadpenny

By, the way, you still trying to get FR to crack the whip with that rule of yours? You know, your post #36:

“I believe there should be a rule on FR that states when anyone claims bias they must also offer a re-write of the article in question with the facts given”

I guess everybody in this thread that pointed out the MEDIA BIAS in this article should really submit re-writes to you post haste. Really. They must.


119 posted on 08/05/2006 5:59:15 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Turbo Pig

I stand corrected-I remember reading about this in Herzog's "The Yom Kippur War"-just got the area of operations wrong


120 posted on 08/05/2006 6:09:17 PM PDT by steamroller
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