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Indonesia: Five Saudis Deported For Muslim "Prostitution" Marriage
Western Resistance ^ | 08/04/2006

Posted on 08/05/2006 3:07:15 AM PDT by Republicain

One of the strangest aspects of Islam's treatment of women is "mut'ah" marriage, which allows a Muslim man to take up with a part-time wife for a short contract. At the end of the agreed period, the man no longer has any responsibility for the woman. In effect, it is legalised prostitution. The Bahraini feminist Ghada Jamshir has condemned mut'ah marriage.

She said on al-Arabiya TV on December 21, 2005 of mut'ah that it is, in practice, a form of child abuse:

Ghada Jamshir: "This is a violation of children's rights! This constitutes sexual assault of the girl. What does 'pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs' mean? It means deriving sexual pleasure from an infant. How old is an infant? One year, a year and a half, a few months? "Is it conceivable for a grown man to have sex with an infant girl? And you people tell me that the Islamic Shari'a authorizes this? Forget about the mut'ah. Let's talk about misyar. What do misyar marriages mean? You said that I'm a Sunni and that's why I'm attacking the Shiites. No!"

Misyar marriage, sometimes referred to as "traveler's marriage" is even worse, as it means the husband does not live with the wife, and has no responsibility financially for her, and can divorce her at any time. Misyar was first observed amongst Sunnis in Egypt in the early 19th century. It is now common in Egypt. In Saudi Arabia, the Salafist Grand Mufti from 1993 to 1999, Ibn Baaz, gave his approval for misyar. Mut'ah marriage, which is mainly practised by Shia, is described in the Koran in Surah 4 (The Women) verse 24:

Also married women (are forbidden to you in marriage), except those whom you own as slaves. Such is the decree of God. All women other than these are lawful for you, provided you court them with your wealth in modest conduct, not in fornication. Give them their dowry for the enjoyment you have had of them as a duty; but it shall be no offense for you to make any other agreement among yourselves after you have fulfilled your duty. Surely God is all-knowing and wise. Misyar marriage became legal first in Egypt, where it is called urfi and then Saudi Arabia. On April 12 the Islamic Jurisprdence Assembly, based in Mecca, issued a fatwa, allowing misyar marriages. Yusuf al Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood has also given his blessing to misyar marriage. The consequences of such temporary marriages, when embarked upon irresponsibly, are horrendous. We reported on April 10 of a 45-year old Singapore Muslim who had used serial mut'ah marriages to father more than 48 children. He was subsequently jailed for forcing six of his daughters to have sex with him.

We reported on April 25 that sociologist Amanollah Gharaii Moghaddam had said that prostitution was on the rise in predominantly Shia Tehran. He said of mut'ah marriages (called sighe in Iran): "Short-term marriages are a form of legalised prostitution. A state must not and cannot legitimise prostitution."

We also reported on June 30 that, while in Malaysia, Indonesia's vice president Jusuf Kalla said that he saw nothing wrong with Arab men paying local women to marry, then divorcing them days or hours later. Kalla (pictured, right) said such a practice could boost tourism. The remarks were made at a travel industry seminar which was attempting to attract more Arab visitors to Indonesia.

Now, even though the Indonesian vice president subsequently claimed the statements were not to be taken seriously, it appears that at least five Arab men from Saudi Arabia have taken Kalla's comments at face value, and created a scandal in Indonesia, according to Jakarta Post and Arab News.

Puncak is a hilltop tourist resort in the west of Java on Indonesia south of Jakarta, near Bogor. Five Saudi men staying in the resort were reported to the Indonesian authorities by local residents, shocked by the Saudis' conduct. They were detained in raids on Monday and Tuesday night.

The five men: Sulaeman Saud A Altraigi, Saad Mousa A Alshamrani, Abdul Rahman Awad A Alshamrani, Mohamad Abdulah Al Muhana and Falleh bin Nghaimesh bin Mahana Al Harbi were deported on Wednesday by Bogor Immigration Office.

All five men, who only had temporary visas, were said to have broken the terms of both the 1974 Marriage Act and immigration law. They had become "temporarily" married to local women in the resort. The temporary marriage is known in Indonesia as kawin kontrak.

Two other men are still being detained.

The head of the local immigration office, Suharyanto, said: "This country forbids people to engage in contractual marriages, which I'm sure is the same as in their country of origin. Moreover, they have misused their tourist visas by getting married instead of just spending their time on vacation."

Suharyonto said his officers in conjunction with Bogor police arrested the five Saudis and their wives in three villas in Puncak.

The authorities vowed to continue to crack down on kawin kontrak marriages in Tugu Utara and Tugu Selatan, areas of the district of Cisarua, where the practice is said to be most common.

The official said: "We will hold a regular operation at residential areas, especially during the holiday season from June to August when most tourists come to stay. I know it's not easy to eliminate contractual marriage practices because it has been going on for quite some time and is seemingly protected by locals."

Yeyet Oking, chief of Bogor district's immigration office, said that "the short-term marriages are an act of disrespect for our marriage law and institution of marriage... Short-term weddings, which are not recognized by the state in Indonesia, had been practiced for years in several Indonesian cities and towns including Puncak and are a cause for concern among local people."

Oking said that in such marriages it is usual for local clerics to bless unions between the local women and their temporary foreign husbands.

Women's groups have condemned the temporary marriages, calling them legalised prostitution, though strictly speaking, they are not legal in Indonesia. Women's rights activists had severely criticised Jusuf Kalla earlier for his comments apparently encouraging the practice.

Arab News says that the five men who were deported claimed that they had opted for the misyar marriages not knowing that they were illegal in Indonesia.

Ironically, although misyar marriages are legal in Saudi Arabia and only a few other countries, mut'ah marriages are banned in the Saudi Kingdom.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; indonesia; marriage; muslim; protitution; saudi
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1 posted on 08/05/2006 3:07:18 AM PDT by Republicain
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To: Republicain

I'll bet these guys are wonderful lovers, keeping their clothes on, and all. sarc/


2 posted on 08/05/2006 3:19:15 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Republicain
One of the strangest aspects of Islam's treatment of women is "mut'ah" marriage, which allows a Muslim man to take up with a part-time wife for a short contract. At the end of the agreed period, the man no longer has any responsibility for the woman....

After all is said and done, what if the woman finds herself in a family way? Does the Muslim man still have no responsibilities towards the woman? Does he just shrug his shoulders and walk away -- figuring it's her problem? If so, why in the world would ANY woman get involved in one of these "mut'ah" marriages?

3 posted on 08/05/2006 3:22:36 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Republicain

Given that most couples don't bother getting married in Western Society,over half of all kids being born out of wedlock in London, and our casual divorce rate being up to the roof, I'm not sure this abuse is something peculiar to Islam - it could be argued that at least they are honest about the time limited arrangement. A little controversy to brighten the day....hey wot?


4 posted on 08/05/2006 3:23:07 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: yankeedame

Oh, I don't know if it's that unattractive to women, it seems pretty common in the lower, socio-economic rungs of the U.S. The odd thing is the mohammedans go through the problem of drafting a contract to begin with. I suppose it's to prevent the real wife/wives from being gypped so to speak.....


5 posted on 08/05/2006 3:29:04 AM PDT by john drake ((roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear"))
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To: Republicain
A state must not and cannot legitimise prostitution.

Watch out Nevada!

6 posted on 08/05/2006 3:34:09 AM PDT by robert jones
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To: Republicain

L.O.L....The Muslim customs are a joke!


7 posted on 08/05/2006 3:39:30 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: yankeedame

In such cases the child is considered his legitimate child, with equal rights for support and inheritance. But the temporary wife has no right to support after the contract has expired.


8 posted on 08/05/2006 3:42:46 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: yankeedame
why in the world would ANY woman get involved in one of these "mut'ah" marriages?

It's common among divorced women (men have a very easy time dumping wives in Islam), who have no education or skills and therefore no other way to survive once dumped. Many of them have female children to support, since failure to produce male children is a common reason for divorce in Islam, and those daughters are also likely to become prostitutes.

Dowries from the bride's family are also SOP in many of these countries, and daughters of poor families, or families with many daughters can't marry them off, hence they wind up as prostitutes.

"Mut'ah" is simply religiously sanctioned prostitution, no matter how they try to window-dress it.

9 posted on 08/05/2006 3:51:09 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: browardchad

So despite the Burka's, the veils, and all that other crap these people avow they find loopholes in their beloved Koran so they can get their ashes hauled.The woman egts laid and is tossed aside.
Does it happen in America? Sure but the women here have a choice and doesnt have to face all that hypocritical BS the Islamics are putting out.


10 posted on 08/05/2006 3:59:26 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: ClaireSolt
Hey, a man's got NEEDS, doncha know....

Thinking with the wrong head is not exclusively a fault among Westerners, you understand. Muslims have raised that activity to an art form. Made it into a part of their religious observations, even.

It is a HOLY thing to deflower virgins.

Consecrated by no less than the Prophet Himself.

11 posted on 08/05/2006 4:46:27 AM PDT by alloysteel (My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling, but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places.)
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To: ClaireSolt

And I'm sure that one of their top priorities is being certain that the woman's needs are satisfied.Oh I forgot-they force a surgery(genital mutalation)on every woman they can,so that she never gets any pleasure from sexual contact.What a useless bunch of a-holes they are.


12 posted on 08/05/2006 4:47:52 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: sgtbono2002

It's getting better. In various islamic countries this mut'ah loophole permits men to have "spare wives" (up to four, in total) outside his household, that he can visit when it suits him. The care for the offspring of these relations is not his responsibility, as it is not specifically stated in the islamic scriptures. Thus, you get a whole lot of children, that are not cared for, not really wanted, and therefore fair game for those that recruit fresh intakes of jihadi's. See? It's a well-planned agenda.

But wait, there's more!

The late Ayatolla Khomeini (yes, that one) wrote a book called "Tahirol Vasileh", with all sorts of wonderful things that are supposedly allowed in the islamic realms, including sexual relations with young children. If you have time, just have a read at www.howa.org. Makes you wonder why such a crime against children should be condoned? After combining a wide range of information, I could come to only one single conclusion. Children that hade been subjected to neglect and sexual abuse, often grow up to be full of frustrations and anger, suffering a very low self-esteen throughout the process. Everybody knows that, you do, I do, the Ayatolla did and so do all muslims. That's bad enough as it is, but it's a good thing if you need big numbers of ruthless fighters without any concept of proportionality, for an upcoming war against an enemy that supposedly represents the forces of evil. Being uneducated and gullible, these kids are ideal candidates for the jihad.

Well. There you go.


13 posted on 08/05/2006 5:04:24 AM PDT by Bazooka (When Tolerance met Indifference, it was love at first sight.)
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To: vimto

Combine this with the practice of "forced marriage" (i.e. arranged by the family against the girl's will), and you have some pretty ugly stuff.


14 posted on 08/05/2006 5:12:24 AM PDT by liberte
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To: Farmer Dean

I politely declined a proposal to marry a Turk in 1965. That's one decision I have never regretted.


15 posted on 08/05/2006 5:14:33 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: alloysteel

At least Americans have learned how to turn that propsition to their benefit, so it is mutual. I have been exposed to a few needy Arabs. Let's just say that their technique makes a woman want to reach for a awitchblade or pistol.


16 posted on 08/05/2006 5:19:46 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Republicain; Bazooka
Ghada Jamshir: "This is a violation of children's rights! This constitutes sexual assault of the girl. What does 'pleasure from sexual contact with her thighs' mean? It means deriving sexual pleasure from an infant. How old is an infant? One year, a year and a half, a few months? "Is it conceivable for a grown man to have sex with an infant girl? And you people tell me that the Islamic Shari'a authorizes this? Forget about the mut'ah. Let's talk about misyar. What do misyar marriages mean? You said that I'm a Sunni and that's why I'm attacking the Shiites. No!"

So mut’ah authorizes pederasty. Misyar does not? Can you explain the technical differences between the two?

Apparently from the paragraph above there seems to be some differences, but it is not entirely clear to me what they are.

17 posted on 08/05/2006 5:23:06 AM PDT by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: Republicain
........"mut'ah" marriage........Misyar marriage........

The more I am informed of the quaint practices sanctioned by this 'Religion' the more I am disgusted by it.

18 posted on 08/05/2006 5:31:53 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: liberte
Oh I know and and I don't want to make light of the abuse that Islam dishes out to women - but I guess we have a welter of misery here as well but the liberal/luvvies won't acknowledge the abuse of encouraging casual relationships and serial cohabitation. As a minister I have sen it at first hand all-too often.
19 posted on 08/05/2006 6:15:04 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: Republicain

In Hughes 19th century "Dictionary of Islam" Mut'ah was a marriage contract approved by Shias but outlawed by Sunnis. Burkhardt claims the practice is older than Islam itself and was practiced by bedu who provided travellers a woman for the night.


20 posted on 08/05/2006 6:39:53 AM PDT by gaspar
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