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the shelf of a TOW is 20 years or so..so some may have come from Iran-Contra..but the date on the Box says 2001
1 posted on 08/04/2006 9:19:08 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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Bill Clinton.


2 posted on 08/04/2006 9:20:41 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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Dems will suddenly be interested in this conflict because they can say Bush screwed up somehow and "let" these get into the hands of terrorists.


3 posted on 08/04/2006 9:21:27 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm)
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They should be able to trace the lot numbers.


4 posted on 08/04/2006 9:22:29 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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You mean shelf-life of course. Your is a good question. Possibly a FMS sale and then someone stole them and sold them illicitly, or they could have been found or stolen in Iraq. These are pure guesses.
5 posted on 08/04/2006 9:23:34 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Knowledge is power, so the MSM makes sure the terrorists have our classified info.)
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...smuggled out of Afghanistan maybe.....


7 posted on 08/04/2006 9:24:48 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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Saudi Arabia maybe. In 1982 (Israel PLO Beirut) a crate of M16s was found, they were still there shipping lube. They came from Saudi.

There is an international weapons market. The date also says 1997. They might have come Bosnia.
10 posted on 08/04/2006 9:26:48 PM PDT by Perdogg
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The missile matters, but do they have launchers too?


11 posted on 08/04/2006 9:26:50 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Knowledge is power, so the MSM makes sure the terrorists have our classified info.)
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There are probably 25 countries that have bought the TOW over the past 10 years or so. I'm sure the CIA has the serials and can tell you which country purchased it. The interesting story will be how that country explains that this was "stolen" but never reported back to the US. The next question will be how many of these were "stolen". If you consider the cost of each TOW...you have to be picky about when and where you use it, and the guy has to have some kinda training...which would be third question...where he got this training.

I would be prepared for alot of US weapons showing up here...in the arms of Hezballah. The Iranians front them on cash...so they can purchase on the world market and they've probably got several underground bunkers with weapons stored and waiting.


12 posted on 08/04/2006 9:27:30 PM PDT by pepsionice
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From the government of Lebanon?
13 posted on 08/04/2006 9:27:34 PM PDT by msnimje (Uni-FAIL - UN peace keeping force in Lebanon has lived up to its name.)
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THese are clones of American TOWS. I forget who it is that makes them but these are not American-made TOWs (or at least not according to the littlegreenfootballs website.)


14 posted on 08/04/2006 9:27:39 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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They are probably a gift from the NY Times.


23 posted on 08/04/2006 9:32:49 PM PDT by twntaipan (John McCain: Your 15 minutes of fame were up long, long ago.)
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There were a couple of convoys hit during the early days of the Iraq War II (Jessica Lynch and others captured). They were hauling supplies, maybe some got hauled into either Syria or Iran and from there to the Hezzies...


30 posted on 08/04/2006 9:38:47 PM PDT by compuguru (De Oppresso Liber)
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When I saw those pix in Diogenesis' GOTTA SEE thread, I wondered whether those were US made because of the English printed on the boxes.

There should be a way to trace the ID numbers and find out where those boxes are supposed to be.

Specter and Congress are always wanting to hold hearings. Let them hold hearings on something important like why Hiz has these missiles and where did they get them.
60 posted on 08/04/2006 10:15:19 PM PDT by TomGuy
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Gift from the DNC?
63 posted on 08/04/2006 10:24:13 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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Peace sells, but who's buying?


64 posted on 08/04/2006 10:24:36 PM PDT by Pro-Bush ("A nation without borders is not a nation." President Reagan)
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4-5 April 2000 The TOW Weapon System Partnership Committee met in Huntsville for the second time. Usually held in Luxembourg each April and October, the United States agreed to sponsor this month’s meeting, which was hosted by the CCAWS Project Office and the U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command (AMCOM) Deputy for Systems Acquisition (DSA). This meeting also marked the committee’s 25th anniversary. Although several systems had weapon systems partnerships, TOW had the longest running committee. Member nations included Canada, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, and the United Kingdom. The United States was not a committee member, but it did serve as an advisor to the group." http://www.redstone.army.mil/history/tow/tow_chronology.html


66 posted on 08/04/2006 10:31:42 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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Maybe they come from Lebanon. According to this page, Lebanon has an inventory of 20 TOWs. I suspect they are older than 2000, however.
72 posted on 08/04/2006 10:41:52 PM PDT by Phocion ("Protection" really means exploiting the consumer. - Milton Friedman)
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The nomenclature on the cases looks wrong to me. Wouldn't U.S. Milspec stuff be labeled something like,

"MISSILE, AT (or 'Anti-Tank'), TOW, one each"

73 posted on 08/04/2006 10:42:22 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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I know a while back there was a thing with Israeli black market folk who were selling weapons, primarily small arms, to the Palestinians.

However, I don't think they were responsible for anything as large as a TOW and anyways, that'd be stretching the realm of possibility. The Saudis had TOWs at least as of Desert Storm, but the regime there hates the Shiites. Of course, this could be a case of who Saudi Arabia hates more...

Also, they could conceivably be weapons captured from our forces in Iraq (kinda like the M249 Zarqawi fired in his video for propaganda purposes) and smuggled through Syria (if there are only a handful of them). But I don't know if we'd have any reason to have TOW missiles in Iraq, and getting missiles AND launchers would be difficult.

Well, sorting through the wanderings of my mind, I think the Saudi route sounds most reasonable IMO.


76 posted on 08/04/2006 10:49:32 PM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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I agree with some of the comments about the way the number 7 is written. But that is not as obvious as the number 9. We always use a straight backed nine rather than the rounded 9 like a backword e.

Also the weight is listed in kg not lb like in the post with the specs. Maybe someone in the military can comment on how the government lists weights on ordinance like this.


82 posted on 08/04/2006 11:12:35 PM PDT by pghkevin (Have you hugged your kids today? Have you thanked someone in the Military today?)
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