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To: wideawake

I live in a town that has one of the biggest jewish communities in germany - and I am proud that we can live together and they like it here although we have a lot of shiites in this town either. We just finished celebrating the new synagogue.

So, no I am not against german military guarding the innocent people of haifa.

What I cannot stand are the people generously allowing us to make something good or demanding that we do something to deminish our guilt. There's been a lot of this "cash in the holocaust" talk.

Whenever there's military aid to israel involved some israeli smart a. turns up and allowes us to make something good because of the holocaust. Hard not to puke in this case.

I don't want to make something good for my grandfathers neighbour - and god knows I don't have to.

I want our society to protect those who love peace and freedom and apfelstrudel. No matter what believe they share.

If needs must and all that, then it shall be done with a G 36 if submarines and budgets for joined weapons research projects are not enough - like in this case.

Actually I get the impression we are running into a global overstretch regarding the WOT - and that means all of us.


15 posted on 08/04/2006 8:43:06 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge
Actually I get the impression we are running into a global overstretch regarding the WOT - and that means all of us.

Wow, if we're getting overstretched already, we might as well not fight, it's a long way from over, and why lose anymore of our fine military men is we're just going to quit. Maybe we can just defend America, and hell with the rest of the world? Y'all can just defend Germany, k?

18 posted on 08/04/2006 8:48:28 AM PDT by eyespysomething (How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: Rummenigge; All

"What I cannot stand are the people generously allowing us to make something good or demanding that we do something to deminish our guilt. There's been a lot of this "cash in the holocaust" talk."

Ah yes, those Jews, they only think of money. How little things do change in your part of the world.

"Whenever there's military aid to israel involved some israeli smart a. turns up and allowes us to make something good because of the holocaust. Hard not to puke in this case.

I don't want to make something good for my grandfathers neighbour - and god knows I don't have to."

If you cannot feel guilty for any evil action, however vile, the German nation has committed in the past, then logically you have no right to be proud of anything Germany has achieved. You did not build the gas chambers or vote for Hilter. On the other hand, you also did not write that piece of music, build that car or camera or put that ball in the back of the net. If you do not feel guilt for the Holocaust, you have no right to feel anger or sadness for the victims at Dresden.

The reason why you must feel responsibilty for Germany's crimes is because if you don't somewhere down the line Germany will repeat the same mistakes. The Holocaust was not some historical aberration but was a result of something deeply flawed in German culture, something that was recognised by Heine long before the rise of the Nazis.

I have mixed feelings about accepting German money. Yes, no amount of money can possibly compensate for what Germany did - the theft of Jewish property, the destruction of an ancient culture, calculated genocide, the murder of 1.5 million children. However, the notion that Germany can buy a clean reputation by giving money to Jews is, in my opinion, really quite sickening.

I'm sorry, but I believe it was a huge mistake to have allowed Germany to have risen again after the war. I am angry beyond belief at those many naive Jews who believe they can ever be safe in Germany. I am utterly livid at Olmert who has screwed up the war effort from start to finish and is now bending his knee before the German nation with such ridiculous statements. And to be frank, I am completely chilled by your comments which are so reminiscent of statements by other Germans all those decades ago.


43 posted on 08/04/2006 9:45:46 AM PDT by Basel2005
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To: Rummenigge

Germany, bless her, came up with the wonderful dachshund, so if we're listing her many accomplishments, don't forget them!


62 posted on 08/05/2006 6:00:32 AM PDT by hershey
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