Posted on 08/03/2006 7:30:07 AM PDT by little jeremiah
Thanks for the link, irish!
Bump!
Thanks for posting this article, for it is right on the mark in every instance, ranking up there with Jerome
Corsi's writings. Americans have been led down the garden path because they "didn't want to know, didn't want to see." The time is now or never, people, to dig in our heels.
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Nails it with good history to boot. I had a Hungarian prof who grew up under communism - he saw the signs early on and told me that I had to know about Antonio Gramsci. Folks who come to this country from an authoritarian regime are able to see the signs earlier and clearer than those of us who grew up in the land of the free and home of the brave. Sort of ironic.
>I no longer try to win the war with family members and even close friends.....the new head Episcopal Bishop...telling me she is a moderate with, "Don't pee on my leg and call it rain! She is as moderate as Hillary Clinton is."
I've been called a nutcase for the same reasons, GD. I saw the National Council of Churche's dedicatation to watering down the tenets of a pure church to attain the results of a one world religion. I quit the Episcopal Church years ago, and won't give a dime to the NCC!
Right - I know people who grew up under communism and they have no illusions about it, plus they are able to spot its insidious growth in the US.
Thanks for the link, I'll add it to my favorites.
Maybe in the future I'll have time to learn. >>>
you didn't learn yet?
A lot of this looks like Linda can't accept having won a major battle. When you win, the other side doesn't simply go away. It retools its message.
Debating whether today's cultural leftism is "really" the same communist or socialist message of the past looks like something of a dead end. Do conservatives "really" want to restore 19th century conditions and policies, or have we moved on? I think the second is true, not the first.
You certainly raise some excellent points. I would argue that you are perhaps presenting a false dichotomy - you are saying that either the gay agenda is just that - something being used to promote the welfare and rights of a particulary group - or a communist, gramscian attempt to destroy the moral fibre of a country and that it has to be one or the other.
I think I'd disagree for two reasons.
First of all, I see no a priori reason why it has to be just one or the other and not, in fact, both.
Secondly, the article presented some good historical evidence where Gramsci and the Hungarian (Lukasz?) and possibly others set out to deliberately promote aberrent sexual behavior to promote their communist agenda. While this sort of historical evidence is not, in and of itself, proof - it does suggest that there may be something to all of this.
Toward this end, Marcusewho favored polymorphous perversionexpanded the ranks of Gramscis new proletariat by including homosexuals, lesbians, and transsexuals.
I've always felt that Marcuse's entire approach to Marxism was no more than a cover to rationalize some really weird sexual proclivities. Eros And Civilization was essentially an effort to incorporate Freud with Marx in a combination that would have made either one of them blanch with horror. But it is important to realize that this is no "proletariat," nor even a more broadly-defined working class, this is a class of the oppressed defined by its view of its oppressors, even if the latter are imaginary. That is the single most significant mutation of Marxism since Karl met Friedrich.
There are several features to this new approach that make it extremely seductive to the politically naive. First, it explains adversity as the action of a malevolent outside party, identifying that party as a class enemy and promising a bright new world that results from the destruction of one you hate. Second, it offers moral absolution for anything the oppressed cares to do in order to accomplish that destruction. Third, it offers an intellectually attractive veneer for such basic human motivations as hatred, envy, covetousness, and sadism. And fourth, it wraps the whole thing up in easily digestible bits that are easy to communicate and just nebulous enough to be difficult to refute.
Underlying this doctrine is the simple assertion "I am smarter than you are and therefore ought to be in charge of you." The authoritarian tendency noted in a political doctrine that ostensibly leads to equality is a universal feature in all manifestations of Marxism, and the louder its proponents shout against fascism the more nearly they approach it themselves.
Secondly, the article presented some good historical evidence where Gramsci and the Hungarian (Lukasz?) and possibly others set out to deliberately promote aberrent sexual behavior to promote their communist agenda.
Fair enough. You're going to have different groups pursuing different ends for different reasons, though. It sounds like some people argue that whatever such groups do out of what they take to be their self-interest, is really motivated by some sort of Gramscian masterplan.
Once a country gets a large enough group of self-defined "gays" or homosexuals, they're going to promote an ideology of self-assertiveness, and they don't need communists or socialists to develop it for them. To be sure, though, leftists and gays may come to feel that they have interests in common, and gays may take over part of the left's ideology, but it's not like we can blame the whole thing on communist ideas.
My Mother in Law's Methodists church went down the drain about two decades ago with Lesbian/Gay ministers, a love affair with Castro and other dictators. She didn't want her funeral service in the Church she had going to for close to 90 years. Nor did she want any liberal Methodist Ministers doing her service.
I refuse to allow that to happen to me. We have been unchanged inspite what happened two summers ago at our parrish level. Several of us are saying "Don't pee on our legs and call the new head bishop a moderate."
We're in agreement.
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Strangely enough, I was telling my next door neighbor some of this stuff yesterday. I am happy to report that he just called me a few minutes ago and wanted me to tell him more. I am printing out this article for him as this woman says it much better than I can.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1265828/posts
Students for a Democratic Society and the Weatherman Underground Association
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a369ce54973ab.htm
The Clinton administration is populated by individuals like Bill who were antiwar activist during Vietnam. Honor and truth telling was not a desired characteristic for Clinton and his antiwar friends in the late 60's and early 70's. It is not hard to understand why they are such skillful liars when their radical past is considered.
Senator J. William Fulbright - The guiding hand behind Clinton during this era was senator Fulbright. Bill Clinton was at Georgetown University in 1968 and also had a job in the office of Senator J. William Fulbright. Clinton was an eyewitness to Fulbright's success in destroying the American consensus on Vietnam. Fulbright was an extremist and lead a bitter fight with LBJ and Nixon against America's Vietnam policy. He was not particularly concerned with the truth. After graduation in 1968, Clinton was available for the draft (1-A). However, through Senator Fulbright's influence with the Arkansas draft board and with various lies, Bill Clinton was able to avoid military service during the Vietnam War.
Jim McDougal - During 1968, Clinton also became friends with Jim McDougal, then an assistant to Fulbright. With Fulbright's influence, Clinton ran unopposed for Attorney General in the mid 1970's. The relationship between Clinton, McDougal and Fulbright became so strong that the three entered into a successful land deal in Arkansas in 1977.
Clinton, then Arkansas attorney general, bought 20 acres of land from Rolling Manor Inc., a company owned by James McDougal and Fulbright. This deal made the partners 75% profit and was the first step to Whitewater.
Strobe Talbott - During 1969, while at Oxford (dodging the draft with the ROTC enlistment), Clinton became friends with Strobe Talbott. Clinton was an antiwar protester in England and Russia during this period and helped organize demonstrations (down with America) that burned the American flag. Talbott was aware of these events. He latter went to graduate school at Yale Law with both Clintons.
Fast forward to 1991. At this time, Strobe Talbott was the Washington Bureau Chief of Time magazine and a key Clinton defender. In a 1991 article, Talbott condemned those who would raise moral issues about Bill Clinton.
In the spring of 1992, he wrote a story about Clinton's conscience - wrestling about the draft while at Oxford. Theses stories by Talbott were big lies. Clinton rewarded Talbott by making him the number two person at the State Department. Sidney Blumenthal - The top White House spin master is a long time friend of the Clintons. Blumenthal is a former member of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).
The SDS was a key player in the antiwar movement and advocated violence. Vanity Fair magazine reports that Blumenthal is -- or at least once was -- a Communist accuses him of joining former SDS leader Carl Oglesby in "something called the Assassination Information Bureau" -- an effort to exonerate Marxist assassin Lee Harvey Oswald by discrediting the Warren Commission report on Oswald's murder of President Kennedy.
In 1968, SDS leaders traveled to communist Czechoslovakia, where they met with leaders of the Viet Cong and "held a seminar with the Communists on how to conduct their psychological warfare campaign against the United States.
Blumenthal learned the art of the big lie from from the masters of propaganda. Senator John Kerry - A goal of the antiwar movement during the Vietnam was to vilify combat soldiers and marines so that public opinion would turn from support to doubt. A fellow traveler of the antiwar movement then was John Kerry of Massachusetts (currently junior senator).
In January of 1971, Jane Fonda and other antiwar leaders organized a show trial called the Winter Soldier hearings in Detroit. These hearings included fake witnesses and fabricated events as well as some real personal stories. Kerry, at this time was a discharged and decorated navy veteran with political aspirations and was a key participant in these hearings. Winter Soldier statements claimed that war crimes were accepted policy in Vietnam and were committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.
The intention of Winter Soldier was to create a graphic story of "out of control" americans killing innocent Vietnamese and the futility of the war. Claims of civilian casualties were greatly overestimated. The big lie worked and public doubt about American involvement in the war increased. Also, the unfortunate consequence of Winter Soldier is the negative and untrue portrayal of Vietnam combat veterans that was created and lasts until today.
History has revealed that John Kerry in 1971 was unconcerned that Winter Soldier testimony was not altogether truthful. Even when an fellow organizer of the Winter Soldier hearings was reviled to be a liar, John Kerry pressed on. In April of 1971, he testified before the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations (Fulbright). This hearing was televised and he again made his false claims that war crimes was the accepted policy of the military in Vietnam. The truth is that the Vietnam War was not any more brutal than previous wars. Observers with experience in Vietnam such as Peter Arnet, Daniel Ellsberg, David Halberstam, Neil Sheehan, and Morley Safer support this point of view.
John Kerry was the Democratic nominee for the U.S. House, 1972 but was defeated in the general election. Organized Labor - The Left rejoiced when Sweeney became head of the AFL-CIO smelling a chance to capture the unions that it had not had since before the Vietnam War. Sweeney's staff is heavily dependent on long-time radicals. "The AFL-CIO is dominated at the department level by an SDS alumni association. These are Sweeney's base and where he gets his ideas from. Many of the old campus radicals around Carey had shilled for the Black Panthers, cheered on Ho Chi Minh, and cut sugar cane in Cuba. They are latter-day Leninists.
Sandy Berger - Clinton met Berger when they were working for McGovern's 1972 presidential campaign. Sandy Berger opposed the Vietnam War not by protesting but working to get like-minded candidates -- Bobby Kennedy, George McGovern -- elected. The connection also extends to Senator Fulbright who joined his law firm after retiring from the Senate in 1975. Fulbright became a role model for Berger.
In the spring of 1992, he wrote a story about Clinton's conscience - wrestling about the draft while at Oxford. Theses stories by Talbott were big lies. Clinton rewarded Talbott by making him the number two person at the State Department. Sidney Blumenthal - The top White House spin master is a long time friend of the Clintons. Blumenthal is a former member of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS).
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