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Are You 'Right' To Own A Gun?
DC Examiner ^ | 8/3/06 | Marc Danzinger

Posted on 08/03/2006 7:03:58 AM PDT by steve-b

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To: TheOracleAtLilac
Not true... there are versions of it that are legal in Kalifornia, and we line in NJ now.
61 posted on 08/03/2006 8:46:32 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: tcostell

That should be "live" in NJ. ....(having a series problem with my typing today)


62 posted on 08/03/2006 8:53:30 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: 7thson
I have wanted to get a gun for years. But being disorganized, I have not because I did not want someone to get hurt - grandkids. I am still thinking about it though.

Take a class. Find a friend who is proficient on firearms safety. Go to the range with him. Understand firearm fundamentals. Understand what happens when a round is chambered, the safety is off and the trigger is pulled. If you don't know the difference betweend a cartridge and a bullet, stay home with a simpler device: a baseball bat.

63 posted on 08/03/2006 8:54:21 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: tcostell
BS - except if 10 or less rounds & non detachable mag. (which only exists for an odd ball AR15)

hell, even a fixed 20 rnd mag in a SKS is illegal.

I live here.

I've had to specially register "assault rifles" (several years ago)

They're not allowed anymore

Your first clue - detachable mag & pistol grip - not allowed >

64 posted on 08/03/2006 8:55:32 AM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: steve-b
There is one more, and probably the single most important question to know the answer for, BEFORE you decide to start packing.

The purpose of the tool in question, is to provide the user with the ability to kill or at least inflict VERY severe harm to another human being and from a distance large enough to inflict that damage or death before the bad guy can harm you.

The thing to be aware of, consider and know the answer to is this:
~ Every thing in your world is about to change the moment you pull that gun out to brandish it with intent... That moment should be considered thoughtfully, daily and deeply. When the circumstances are such that you are forced to protect yourself, your family or your property, there is no substitute for a good gun and the ability to use it... But are you prepared to kill or maim another human? That weapon should not come out of it's holster or storage safe unless your intentions are clear and you're at peace with what you're about to do.

And if you have not truly thought this through and are comfortable with your answer to yourself, then please don't buy a gun and if you own one now, lock it away.

65 posted on 08/03/2006 8:56:54 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: 7thson; All
I was in Hawaii, TDY off a ship because of a broken foot. I saw this on the QD televsion and was totally shocked. I was even more shocked and dismay later when nobody was fired and tried for this criminal act.

7thson, I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Your broken foot made you see something on television about a QD that shocked you? I wish I were there.

66 posted on 08/03/2006 8:58:05 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
There are versions sold with no pistol grip, a 10 round single stack mag that won't accept the larger versions, no lug, and a nut welded on the end of the threaded barrel. They were designed to be imported during the ban, and many are still sold configured that way. In fact, the ones with that config are REALLY inexpensive... less than $300. For 20K you could buy enough of them to take over an East African country.
Current market price on Russian 7.62x39mm ammo is about $175 for 1000 rounds, but it's been as low as $80 recently and the price is currently falling.

I'll be happy to put you in touch with a vendor who knows the Kalifornia laws and will be happy to sell to you.
67 posted on 08/03/2006 9:04:51 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: driftdiver

I had one stolen. I asked someone to hold onto it for me for a while when I wasn't so stable, and then they got mad at me about something and wouldn't give it back, nor a small tv I had loaned them. It weighs on me a little because it's out there and I don't know who has it, but it was purchased by my dearly departed mother, so I'm probably off the hook.


68 posted on 08/03/2006 9:08:43 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Clam down and try to enjoy the rest of your day.)
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To: tcostell
FWIW, I already have an AKS 47 & Mak 90, numerous hi-cap mags ...& over 5000 rnds of ammo.

Current ammo price is closer to $160 than $175

I'm not in need of any help.

69 posted on 08/03/2006 9:12:19 AM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: steve-b
"While I believe that everyone should have the right to own a gun..."

Bzzt. He still isn't quite firing on all cylinders. Rights are _taken away_, not granted or bestowed upon the great unwashed by virtuous politicians or buearacrats.
70 posted on 08/03/2006 9:13:14 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Cobra64

You know, you are one arrogant asrse. In responding to your post 66, I was responding to post 23, which showed a picture of the Waco Compound burning. TDY means Temporary Duty. Why? Because on a ship, after breaking my foot, I had the choice of leaving. I left. The QD is QuarterDeck. What shocked me was the Waco Compound being stormed and then set on fire. If you have no idea what a person is saying, what makes you want to comment on it? IRT - that means In Reference To - your post 64, again, what arrogance. Why do you feel the need to insult me when you do not even know me. I got one post that was great advice but you are just insulting for no reason at all.


71 posted on 08/03/2006 9:15:27 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

If you stop and think about it - modern day "conservatives" are the liberals. Leftists are authoritarian/totalitarian, with nearly unlimited funds and control of academia, news organizations, hollywood, etc. - and paint everyone who doesn't toe their spiel as *fascists*. It's a neat trick, you have to admit.


72 posted on 08/03/2006 9:16:11 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: harrowup; robertpaulsen; Hemingway's Ghost
Hemingway's Ghost;

I didn't know there was such a thing as an armed liberal.

There's a lot of well armed, constitutional 'classical liberals'

H-rup:
While I know you're just joshing, I also want to put more emphasis on the character assets that give a sane man the courage to kill another human. Please note I've written, character assets, because it takes a very special man or woman to mentally prepare for the act of killing.

Get a grip man. Self defense is an innate reaction, no preparation necessary. -- If anything, children have to be taught to control the asset.

Now, here is the rub. While I am still mentally prepared to shoot some SOB for putting my family in imminent danger, I am no longer certain I have the physical assets necessary to employ my favorite method of self-defense, which is a rock or 2x4 to the temple, which naturally leads to having to pull the trigger, and that scares me.

Why should squeezing a trigger scare you? Most of us hope we never have to, but being capable of defending yourself & others is a duty, --- as well as a right.

How about it TP? Should guys our age turn the keys over to the youngsters?

Hell no. -- That thought scares me.. -- Far to many youngsters have been taught unclassical, unconstitutional liberalism.

As we see here on FR. -- Any comment paulsen?

73 posted on 08/03/2006 9:19:47 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: 7thson

Not EIK has a book on The World's Military Acronyms. Assuming people are familiar with, and understand verbal shorthand just to impress your audiance is a sign of poor communication skills.


74 posted on 08/03/2006 9:25:39 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: steve-b

Rights and personal responsibility in the exercise of those rights have always gone together. Seems that fact is just now dawning on this writer.


75 posted on 08/03/2006 9:27:53 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: Lazamataz
LOL... I remember when you first came out with that gun....

I love that gun.

76 posted on 08/03/2006 9:28:19 AM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: Freedom4US
If you stop and think about it - modern day "conservatives" are the liberals.

Frankly I think the terms "conservative" and "liberal" are meaningless. The true measure of an individual's political leanings is the amount of sovereignty he's willing to concede to a government. And I just realized by putting it that way, you know where I stand.

77 posted on 08/03/2006 9:31:57 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: ichabod1

'It weighs on me a little because it's out there and I don't know who has it, but it was purchased by my dearly departed mother, so I'm probably off the hook."

of the hook for what? If it is used in a crime you won't be responsible for anything. I don't advocate being reckless with potentially dangerous items but I do advocate being realistic. If someone steals a jug of pool acid from me and uses it to commit a crime I would feel bad for the victim. I wouldn't feel responsible though. The criminal is the person who is responsible.


78 posted on 08/03/2006 9:35:47 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Lloyd227

"The thing to be aware of, consider and know the answer to is this:
~ Every thing in your world is about to change the moment you pull that gun out to brandish it with intent.."

IMO, if you are in a situation where you have reason to use any type of deadly force, then your life is about to change regardless of whether you actually do use deadly force.

I agree that using deadly force is something that should be carefully considered and accomplished within the boundaries of the law. Making people afraid to defend their own life should not be a proper approach. If you are prepared mentally and physically then you are more likely to see the next sunrise.


79 posted on 08/03/2006 9:53:53 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: robertpaulsen; Everybody
paulsen dissembles:

The citizens of the state, acting through their elected representatives, may place reasonable restrictions on any of our rights -- we do it for speech in the first amendment, for example.

When actually he advocates unreasonable restrictions:

Ready for the big one? California can ban all guns if they so chose. There's nothing in the state constitution (one of six states, I believe) about the right to keep and bear arms.
129 posted on 11/20/2003 1:30 PM PST by robertpaulsen

80 posted on 08/03/2006 10:12:06 AM PDT by tpaine
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