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Are You 'Right' To Own A Gun?
DC Examiner ^ | 8/3/06 | Marc Danzinger

Posted on 08/03/2006 7:03:58 AM PDT by steve-b

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To: William Tell
I see no suggestion that the exercise of the right to carry arms was conditional.

You mean like historical facts?

Perhaps you could point out the 2nd Amendment citation in the quote. Lemme guess - emanation of a penumbra?

341 posted on 08/06/2006 8:59:19 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: robertpaulsen
"These rights, being fundamental to liberty, apply to all persons, citizens or not."

Not quite. See: 'U.S. vs Verdugo-Urquidez'(1990).

342 posted on 08/06/2006 9:09:24 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Mojave
Mojave said: "Perhaps you could point out the 2nd Amendment citation in the quote. Lemme guess - emanation of a penumbra?"

I don't see mention of the First Amendment either. But the courts later "incorporated" it, just the same.

343 posted on 08/06/2006 9:11:05 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: William Tell
I don't see mention of the First Amendment either. But the courts later "incorporated" it

But not the 2nd. You desire for law made from the bench remains unrealized in that arena.

344 posted on 08/06/2006 9:17:17 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
Mojave said: "You desire for law made from the bench remains unrealized in that arena."

Let's see if I understand you.

When the earlier court ruled that the "privileges and immunities" clause of the Fourteenth Amendment only addressed things like "navigating the waters of the US", but not the First or Second Amendments, that is perfectly alright.

But when the later court ruled that "privileges and immunities" DOES include the First Amendment, that is making law from the bench.

I showed you where the Dred Scott decision, which greatly contributed to the onset of the US Civil War, used that specific phrase, "privileges and immunities" to include free speech and the right to bear arms. But, because the Taney court did not explicitly point out that those freedoms are enumerated in the First and Second Amendments, that would later make invalid any application of those amendments to the phrase "privileges and immunities".

Since you are so concerned about historical fact, perhaps you could supply some other evidence, prior to the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868, that would support your narrow view of "privileges and immunities".

345 posted on 08/06/2006 9:46:08 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: William Tell
I showed you where the Dred Scott decision, which greatly contributed to the onset of the US Civil War, used that specific phrase, "privileges and immunities" to include free speech and the right to bear arms.

The 2nd Amendment established an immunity to federal infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

Your desire to have bench made law recast that as an immunity to state legislation has never come to pass.

Feel free produce the case.

[crickets]

346 posted on 08/07/2006 3:26:17 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave
The 2nd Amendment established an immunity to federal infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

Please cite, from the Constitution, where such a limitation exists.

Shall not be infringed is the Supreme Law of the Land, the laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

It doesn't require a judge to incorporate this as there is no "incorporation" requirement listed anywhere in the Constitution. It applies upon ratification, just like the laws Congress passes.

347 posted on 08/07/2006 6:52:51 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: steve-b
I may or may not be right to own a gun, but I'm in my right mind to.
348 posted on 08/11/2006 3:29:39 PM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (God is not a God of fear, but of power, love and a sane mind.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I didn't know there was such a thing as an armed liberal.

A robber? Oh uh, that would imply most liberals.

349 posted on 08/11/2006 3:31:20 PM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (God is not a God of fear, but of power, love and a sane mind.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Shall not be infringed is the Supreme Law of the Land, the laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Beg, beg, beg.

"The first amendment to the Constitution prohibits Congress from abridging 'the right of the people to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.' This, like the other amendments proposed and adopted at the same time, was not intended to limit the powers of the State governments in respect to their own citizens, but to operate upon the National government alone." -U.S. v. Cruickshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

Poor you.

350 posted on 08/11/2006 8:38:37 PM PDT by Mojave
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