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To: SmoothTalker
The "Big 3" dinosaurs of Detroit (Ford, GM and Chrysler) are in deep trouble. The imports - particularly the Japanese imports (Toyota, Honda, Nissan) - are so far ahead of them on quality that even if the Detroit automakers were to bust up the UAW and pull out all the stops to catch up, they would need at least a decade to pull even. And that's only if Toyota, Honda and Nissan stand still.

But they aren't standing still. They are getting better and better at a rapid pace and now they have turned their attention to trucks and SUVs - up to now the only real bright spot in Detroit.

Even more omininously (from the viewpoint of Detroit), the Japanese Big Three have moved onto American turf, building U.S. factories, putting Americans (in mostly red states) to work and blurring the lines between "American cars" and "imports." And they have no UAW to worry about!

What is more American? A Ford made mostly in Mexico and assembled by union workers in Detroit who vote the "straight Democratic ticket" because their pinky-ringed bosses tell them to? Or a Nissan made in Tennessee by non-union workers, most of which go to church on Sundays, vote Republican and aren't afraid to fly the American flag on their front lawns?

What's worse for the Detroit Big 3, who continue to operate in some weird 1968 time warp, is that even once laughed at nameplates like Hyundai and Subaru are now kicking Detroit butt in carmaking. The ways things are going, Ford will soon be replacing Yugo as the butt of car jokes.

8 posted on 08/01/2006 5:48:15 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am a big fan of urban sprawl but I wish there were more sidewalks)
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To: SamAdams76

Well said!


9 posted on 08/01/2006 5:49:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: SamAdams76

Hear, hear. You absolutely nailed it. I still have my (last) Ford I bought new 11 years ago but once it's done, so am I with Ford, GM, etc. This car has been a POS but I keep it because it's paid for, looks good and still somewhat reliable. The next one will be a Toyota.


10 posted on 08/01/2006 5:55:12 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Gun owners have illustrated rights are individual and can be protected by individuals.)
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To: SamAdams76
NUMMI which manufactures the Pontiac Vibe, the Toyota Corolla, and the Toyota Tacoma is unionized.
11 posted on 08/01/2006 5:55:26 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: SamAdams76
Even more omininously (from the viewpoint of Detroit), the Japanese Big Three have moved onto American turf, building U.S. factories, putting Americans (in mostly red states) to work and blurring the lines between "American cars" and "imports."

Another interesting development is that Honda is now exporting cars made in the U.S. to China: Acura TL Becomes First U.S. Model Exported To China By Japanese Luxury Nameplate

16 posted on 08/01/2006 6:16:17 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: SamAdams76
The "Big 3" dinosaurs of Detroit (Ford, GM and Chrysler) are in deep trouble. The imports - particularly the Japanese imports (Toyota, Honda, Nissan) - are so far ahead of them on quality that even if the Detroit automakers were to bust up the UAW and pull out all the stops to catch up, they would need at least a decade to pull even. And that's only if Toyota, Honda and Nissan stand still.

At what point do we stop calling them "imports" - a lot of those are built in the US these days - Toyota has that huge track plant down in San Antonio that they've been building, and I know my Tacoma was built in California (I suppose that's like a foreign country ;-) ).
17 posted on 08/01/2006 6:19:08 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: SamAdams76
Very well said. Can't wait for those posters that come on these type of threads to tell us we are trading with the enemy when we buy Toyota or Honda.

However I'm having a tough time trying to decide which truck I want to maybe buy next year. The Chevy Avalanche, built on the 2007 Tahoe Platform has caught my eye and I'm impressed. Still leaning towards the Honda Ridge line or the 2007 Toyota Tundra.
25 posted on 08/01/2006 7:15:20 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: SamAdams76; Las Vegas Dave

I've been searching for the 4th biggest U.S. car maker.

Since I can't find the figures, I feel that Chrysler shouldn't be part of the "Top 3" since that would imply competition, whereas they really won by default.


32 posted on 08/01/2006 8:00:16 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SamAdams76

I work with 7 OEM Automaker companies at 40 manufacturing locations in US, CAN, MX, JP and UK.
Ford has, by far, the lowest integrity at each location. I'm convinced it's part of the culture. Crooked at every level from Purchasing to Design to Plant-level contacts. They can go under for all I care and we'd all be better off.


37 posted on 08/01/2006 9:15:27 PM PDT by Tigercap
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To: SamAdams76

Nice post.


46 posted on 08/01/2006 9:55:36 PM PDT by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: SamAdams76
Maybe my Explorer will become a collector's item!

I hope.

54 posted on 08/01/2006 10:25:25 PM PDT by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: SamAdams76
But they aren't standing still. They are getting better and better at a rapid pace and now they have turned their attention to trucks and SUVs - up to now the only real bright spot in Detroit.

That's going to put the big 3 losers under, IMHO. In SoFlo, SUVs are a novelty and we have one simply because it's safer to be in a bigger car when you risk some nutjob who never signals slams into you. However having recently travelled to Colorado and seeing the mountain road conditions first hand, I realize SUVs/trucks w/4WD are not a choice in many cases.

If we had not been driving a 4WD on some of those Rocky Mt roads, we would not have gotten far. SUVs and trucks are going to be a sustainable market despite whatever the gas prices are in those areas. Everyone needs at least one to get around there. If Toyota and Honda provide an alternative, it's going to sell, and it's more than likely to be a better product than the big 3 losers.

63 posted on 08/02/2006 2:19:31 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SamAdams76

Very good post and I agree with you. Chrysler is the only one of the three putting out a lot of compelling mainstream cars. of course it took merging with Daimler-Benz for them to get any flair in their lineup but they have some none the less. They don't have the reliability of the Japs but are very unique and exciting cars (300, Magnum, etc). Problem is most of them start up in the mid-20's and a lot of buyers aren't looking to get a heavy car with a V8 in the days of three dollar gas. I could see getting a Chrysler but I really don't see any reason to get a mainstream GM or Ford. I don't understand buying something that isn't as well made, depreciates a lot faster, doesn't handle as well, and on average isn't as reliable.


67 posted on 08/02/2006 4:43:27 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: SamAdams76

Hell, even Hyundai beats Detroit for quality and dollar value.


72 posted on 08/02/2006 4:57:05 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: SamAdams76

Reminder:

In just about every survey imaginable, Nissan ends up BELOW just about every single domestic nameplate. Even Consumer Reports is nailing Nissan now...


74 posted on 08/02/2006 7:28:58 AM PDT by eraser2005
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