Surgeon General Carmona Leaves Post (Dancing in the streets alert!)

United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | uly 31, 2006 | KEVIN FREKING

[Bigh4u2]

Tormented my children??

You're funny! NOT!

Show me PROOF of your ASININE assumption.

If you don't have it then talk to someone else!!

[raybbr]

Good grief!!!!

Forcing young children and infants to breathe unfiltered and filtered cigarette smoke is at best an irritant and at worst deadly.

My proof? My parents smoked around me and it was hell.

[usafsk]

What about the moist wheezing that comes with age? The yellowed fingers? The inevitable oxygen tank? Are those turn-ons as well?

[Dianna]

Smoking dramatically increases risks for a great many kinds of cancer, including breast, prostate and colon, dramatically increases the risks of heart disease, dramatically increases the risks of diabetes and stroke, etc.

If smoking dramatically increases the risk of breast cancer, why don't they list it on risk assessment?

[Gamecock]

It was a funny story after a couple of cool ones. I'm glad it translated well.

Anyway, as promised:

I see from top to bottom, left to right, and the best I can do with these old eyes:

Combat Medical Badge
Bronze Star, Purple Heart (OLC)
Presidential Unit Citation, Meritorious Unit Commendation, Army Good Conduct Medal
National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Public Health Service Regular Corps Ribbon
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross with Palm, Republic of Vietnam Civil Action Medal, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
Commissioned Officers Association, Association of Military Surgeons of the United States, Reserve Officers Association
Airborne, Special Forces

Source: USPHS Rackbuilder. Plugged in, they do come out a bit different, but I think Admiral Carmona is wearing them properly.

My heartburn in this is the bottom row of ribbons. Some professional military organizations are authorized by Congress to mint and present "medals." I myself am a member of the Association of Military Surgeons of the United States (AMSUS) and somewhere have the AMSUS membership medal; but we (Army) don't wear it. The PHS does wear "membership" medals.

[Gamecock]

Coasties still count, but I'll buy you a beer someday for ringing the bell.

[Raycpa]

so WHY IN THE HECK would you take the chance by exposing your children to smoke in the house and car?

Extreme selfishness.

[7thson]

I stand corrected. Thank you.

[Raycpa]

To me, there is nothing better then a sweet smelling man with the smell of after shave and a hint of tobacco smoke.

I find it very sexy.

[Raycpa]

My proof? My parents smoked around me and it was hell.

You don't understand. It was actually good for you. It beefed up your immune system. No "kid"ding. In fact we should pipe in SHS to the infant room in the hospital to lower asthma and allergies.

[Alter Kaker]

If a person is active and eats healthy, smoking isn't going to make them sicker then your fat couch potato. How do you account for smokers living well into their 80's and 90's?

That's just factually incorrect. Yes, some smokers do live to a ripe old age. But most don't, and the reason they don't is because smoking is either the biggest or second risk factor you can possibly give yourself for just about every disease in the book. That includes heart disease, most common cancers, Alzheimer's, stroke, etc. You're right, nutrition is an important component of overall health and proper nutrition reduces your risk of a variety of conditions. But in terms of negative risk, even a diet of Big Macs (not recomended!) comes in way below smoking.

Moderation is the key to everything we do in life.

How is voluntarily inhaling concentrated carcinogens in any way "moderate"?

I was a professional dancer for many years and I smoked. Smoking never shortened my breath and I could dance all night. I was in great physical shape and smoking was never an issue in my life.

And hopefully it won't become an issue in your life. But by smoking, you have gravely jeopardized your own health, vastly increasing your risk for decades to come for a wide variety of conditions. I do hope you have quit, but you are already at a much increased risk.

[Alter Kaker]

I'm not sure I know the answer. But the link between breast cancer and tobacco use is firm. This excellent study of 116,000 women found a 32% increase in breast cancer rates among smokers. If you want links to other studies, I'd be happy to provide them.

[Dianna]

I'm not sure I know the answer. But the link between breast cancer and tobacco use is firm. This excellent study of 116,000 women found a 32% increase in breast cancer rates among smokers. If you want links to other studies, I'd be happy to provide them.

A 32% increase in risk may not be much in terms of actual risk. I got a mammogram just last week at my local hospital. There was a 3 fold poster urging women to assess their risk, using the various factors to compile a score. Smoking was not mentioned at all, obesity was.

Therefore, I must conclude that smoking is certainly a lesser risk (for breast cancer) than obesity and smoking doesn't make much difference in comparison to non-lifestyle factors like age of beginning and cessation of menses and breast cancer in family members.

[raybbr]

You don't understand. It was actually good for you. It beefed up your immune system. No "kid"ding. In fact we should pipe in SHS to the infant room in the hospital to lower asthma and allergies.

You're good!!!!

[SheLion]

Show me where any of this proves without a doubt that second-hand smoke ISN'T harmful or at least irritating. Given that there's some chance it COULD be harmful to some predisposed people and most certainly is irritating to others, I used to take the time and effort (and some inconvenience) not to smoke around my children.

Well, you must not have grown up when I did.  Smoking around our kid and our friends smoking around their kids never hurt any of them.  Never.

And how many times do I have to POST this??  And this is just ONE article or research against shs being a killer! 

Oak Ridge Labs, TN & SECOND HAND SMOKE 

Statistics and Data Sciences Group Projects

I think any anti who tries to dismiss the findings of the U.S. Department of Energy labs at Oak Ridge, should be confronted with the question: "Are you saying that DOE researchers committed scientific fraud and that their findings on ETS exposure are untrue?"

But where does this Taliban-like anti-smoking campaign come from? It can't really be this stuff about second-hand smoke. The famous 1992 Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) study showing a causal relationship between second-hand smoke and cancer was so roundly debunked as junk science (even by other federal agencies) it was finally declared "null and void" by a federal judge. Sure, second-hand smoke can be annoying, and it can't be healthy, but if you relegate smokers to their own enclosed space _ say a bar or a separate part of a restaurant where people, including staff, only go of their own free will _ who can object?

[SheLion]

What about the moist wheezing that comes with age? The yellowed fingers? The inevitable oxygen tank? Are those turn-ons as well?

I don't know ANY smoker like that.  NO one! 

[Gabz]

You actually sound proud of the fact that you have tormented your children their whole lives. Unbelievable!!!!!

Actually, your attitude against smokers is what is unbelievable.

[AmishDude]

Well, maybe that's the motivation of the poster, but the real problem is that he was promoting the junk science of second-hand smoke.

[SheLion]

If smoking dramatically increases the risk of breast cancer, why don't they list it on risk assessment?

RESEARCHERS BLAST CALIFORNIA EPA REPORT: SECONDHAND SMOKE FINDINGS BIASED, FLAWED

01/30/2006-The American Cancer Society stated unequivocally, in a written comment,  that it did not agree with Cal-EPA's conclusion that secondhand smoke was a cause of breast cancer, and that published evidence did not support the requisite criteria for causation.

[SheLion]

I said a SWEET smelling man. Not a beer guzzling couch potato.

Is that a picture of YOU??? heh!