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Was Qana Staged? Cont'd (Memogate II?)
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| July 31, 2006
| Jonah Goldberg
Posted on 08/01/2006 1:48:42 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Monday, July 31, 2006
Was Qana Staged? Cont'd [Jonah Goldberg]
A giant banner denouncing Rice and the "Qana massacre" might have been made a bit too quickly. I don't want to get too far out ahead on this, but I know we've got a zillion printer-type folks among our readers. Do you guys think such a banner could be made in 2-4 hours (particularly in a supposedly war-ravaged area)? Update: From a reader:
"Do you guys think such a banner could be made in 2-4 hours (particularly in a supposedly war-ravaged area)?"
Heck no. A designer could throw it together in probably 15 minutes or so, but the longest part would be the printing. Notice how deep the reds and blacks are - this means they didn't just bust it out. I wouldnt be surprised if that job itself (requiring special equipment, as it looks to be printed on canvas or nylon, not merely paper) took 6 hours simply to print.
Also, that puppy would be expensive.
Update II: From a reader:
Nope. Not possible in 2 hours to design, typeset, print, assemble and transport to the site. 24 hours if you're really good to do all the above. I say that as an career commercial artist of 18 years now.
Update III: From another reader:
called a close friend who has a very large printing company in NY with the question. he called out to one of his technicians as to how long a color 30 foot banner would take to produce. the response was that it would have to be done by a special machine and that machine would take "5 to 6 hours." by the way, their rather enormous, state of the art (less than 6 months old) facility doesn't even have the equipment necessary to do it. so make a guess as to what's available in a war-ravaged area...
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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; greenhelmentguy; islam; islamofascism; israel; jonahgoldberg; lebanon; mohamedanmedia; muhammadsminions; muslim; qana; racak; yes
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To: SJackson
81
posted on
08/01/2006 5:34:09 AM PDT
by
Valin
(http://www.irey.com/)
To: Graymatter; All
Lebanese website blames Hizbullah for Qana deaths ".."We have it from a credible source that Hizbullah, alarmed by Siniora's plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations. Knowing full well that Israel will not hesitate to bombard civilian bombard civilian targets, Hizbullah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the negotiation initiative," the site stated..."
To: Anti-Bubba182
From a blogger who does banners for a living:
Wondering more about Qana and 30-foot banners
This morning, I posted some speculation that the 30-foot banner of Secretary of State Rice that miraculously showed up in Qana yesterday was probably prepared in advance, leading to questions whether the entire event was staged. Tonight, reader Postermaker made the following comments about that blog post:
Since I do banners like this for a living, I can tell you it take more than a few hours depending on the equipment. A banner that large can be done one of two ways. With a grant format printer. It would probably take about 3-4 hours to print, then hours more to sew and grommet so it could hung. It would have to be Made of heavy duty material or one that was reinforced or the sheer weight would rip it apart.
The other way it to use a smaller series of machines all color calibrated and produce sections. At that point they would have to be stretch the length of the banner ( read large facility) and sewn together. Additional support would go on the tops and bottoms.
In short if it was related Qana and went up within two hours- four hours, it was done prior to the bomb hitting. No other way. Just putting an image together that large on a computer with Type would take a few hours.
Then color tests, proofs and finally printing. That would be an all day affair for most print houses even with a grand format printer. The cost would be in the thousands.
Then you would have to transport it.
To: Clint N. Suhks
UV ink dries instantly (this is the ink type for this printer)
The website clearly tells how fast the printer can print, sorry you could not find it.
To: randita
Thank you - most likely is was this company who printed it. They have the printers to do it in less than 1 hour.
To: Anti-Bubba182
I still don't see anything definitive on how long after the bombing the sign went up (unless I just read over it). All this specualtion is hot air unless we know that.
86
posted on
08/01/2006 5:48:21 AM PDT
by
Gone GF
To: Gone GF
All say 2 to 4 hrs, but no one put a time on it. It is less than it would be with specific times.
To: Anti-Bubba182
Done before the bomb hitting....
Remember, you are dealing with the propaganda arm of the group who places the rocket launchers.
It is almost a sure bet that any site used repeatedly to launch rockets is going to become a target. Not too tough to set that up, if you deal with the people making the decisions.
Emplace your rocket launcher near the building, close enough to convince people that the Israelis did it when they struck the rocket launcher but far enough away that an attack on the launcher will not bring down the building.
Print the banner ahead of time, save up bodies from other incidents in the morgue. Make sure you have some cute kids, the more the better. Really mutilated bodies will not command the sympathy in the press that ones which look like little sleeping angels will, so keep them tidy, be selective.
When the rocket launcher gets hit, (remember, even launch times can be arranged), move the bodies in if the airstrike does not bring the building down.
Under cover of darkness, put the bodies in areas which are likely to form pockets in the collapse, and less likely to be completely filled with debris.
Detonate the charges in the building, and call the press.
When the press arrives, start parading the bodies around for a photo-op, blame the IDF, and let the MSM do the rest.
Piece of cake.
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posted on
08/01/2006 5:56:31 AM PDT
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
To: stlnative
I found it later thanks. 2230 s/f p/h
And I didn't realize it needed to no drying time. Apparently it's just a giant printer like you'd use on a computer.
Which still does leave some unanswered questions but it seems you've figured out the mystery.
1. Who established the 2 hour delivery time to the bomb site. It seems that would be hard to establish since apparently the building took 7 hours to fall.
2. Is set up time and design time a factor?
3. Transport time would be the biggest consideration. Even if it came from Syria the roads would seem to be another factor.
But as far as printing possibilities go you've answered Jonah's questions.
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posted on
08/01/2006 5:57:03 AM PDT
by
Clint N. Suhks
(If you don't love Jesus, you can go to hell.)
To: Anti-Bubba182
Don't you have to wait for the ink to dry? I worked for a printer for a short time, sometimes it would take days for certain inks to dry.
To: Clint N. Suhks
It is exactly like a home inkjet - except the printer carts are huge and it is high speed. The printer head on it moves across it just as it does on your home ink jet.
Printing is no different than printing a picture from off your hard drive and sending it to your printer. Photo shop the picture, load it into computer hooked to the super wide printer, make a few adjustments with the super wide printers software and then hit print. It would only take about 15 minutes to print.
The printers have huge rolls on them (unlike printer paper sheets we have at home)
My guess is that "banner" is about 16' wide by about 32' long, I see no seams in it (it looks seamless), so it most likely was printed on a 16'+ super wide inkjet printer. Some posted the printing company name and website link. They do not have a 16' printer listed on their equipment list, but this 16.4' printer is only $350,000 brand new and they may have picked up a used one for even less. It may not be listed on their website because the equipment is new to them.
To: Anti-Bubba182
A closer look at the poster as it is being unfurled:
Caption:
Reuters - Sun Jul 30, 12:55 PM ET
Lebanese protesters unfold a poster of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during a protest in Beirut, July 30, 2006 after an Israeli air raid on Qana, killed more than 54 people, 37 of them children, in south Lebanon, July 30, 2006.
92
posted on
08/01/2006 6:16:31 AM PDT
by
balk
(Vive le Canada libre... des Libereaux)
To: Anti-Bubba182
The have stockpiles of posters and flags.
93
posted on
08/01/2006 6:17:18 AM PDT
by
tobyhill
(The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
To: Gone GF
I do remember when on the "live ME thread", someone posted it right away and were commenting on how fast it went up.
It would be interesting to ck.
To: Anti-Bubba182
95
posted on
08/01/2006 6:20:11 AM PDT
by
petercooper
(Is this where I get me a huntin' license?)
To: petercooper
96
posted on
08/01/2006 6:23:55 AM PDT
by
JerseyDvl
("If you attack Americans, we'll defend your right to do it."- The Democrat Party)
To: balk
Thanks, that is obviously not a paper, but a vinyl or cloth, also there appears to be no seam.
They produced and hung this big banner the same day of the bombing, if we are to believe it was not produced in advance.
To: lightingguy
98
posted on
08/01/2006 6:30:08 AM PDT
by
agrace
To: Anti-Bubba182
I believe that poster is airbrushed. If so the poster could have been done days before and the words added when needed. I feel the incident was staged but the poster was probably made afterwards.
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posted on
08/01/2006 6:31:41 AM PDT
by
Sentis
To: Anti-Bubba182
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