Was Qana Staged? Cont'd (Memogate II?)

NRO Corner ^ | July 31, 2006 | Jonah Goldberg

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Monday, July 31, 2006 Was Qana Staged? Cont'd [Jonah Goldberg] A giant banner denouncing Rice and the "Qana massacre" might have been made a bit too quickly. I don't want to get too far out ahead on this, but I know we've got a zillion printer-type folks among our readers. Do you guys think such a banner could be made in 2-4 hours (particularly in a supposedly war-ravaged area)? Update: From a reader: "Do you guys think such a banner could be made in 2-4 hours (particularly in a supposedly war-ravaged area)?" Heck no. A designer could throw it together in probably 15 minutes or so, but the longest part would be the printing. Notice how deep the reds and blacks are - this means they didn't just bust it out. I wouldnt be surprised if that job itself (requiring special equipment, as it looks to be printed on canvas or nylon, not merely paper) took 6 hours simply to print. Also, that puppy would be expensive. Update II: From a reader: Nope. Not possible in 2 hours to design, typeset, print, assemble and transport to the site. 24 hours if you're really good to do all the above. I say that as an career commercial artist of 18 years now. Update III: From another reader: called a close friend who has a very large printing company in NY with the question.  he called out to one of his technicians as to how long a color 30 foot banner would take to produce.  the response was that it would have to be done by a special machine and that machine would take "5 to 6 hours."     by the way, their rather enormous, state of the art (less than 6 months old) facility doesn't even have the equipment necessary to do it.  so make a guess as to what's available in a war-ravaged area...   Posted at 5:29 PM

[Anti-Bubba182]

Tonight, reader Postermaker made the following comments about that blog post:

"..Since I do banners like this for a living, I can tell you it take more than a few hours depending on the equipment. A banner that large can be done one of two ways. With a grant format printer. It would probably take about 3-4 hours to print, then hours more to sew and grommet so it could hung. It would have to be Made of heavy duty material or one that was reinforced or the sheer weight would rip it apart.

The other way it to use a smaller series of machines all color calibrated and produce sections. At that point they would have to be stretch the length of the banner ( read large facility) and sewn together. Additional support would go on the tops and bottoms.

In short if it was related Qana and went up within two hours- four hours, it was done prior to the bomb hitting. No other way. Just putting an image together that large on a computer with Type would take a few hours.

Then color tests, proofs and finally printing. That would be an all day affair for most print houses even with a grand format printer. The cost would be in the thousands.

Then you would have to transport it..."

[visualops]

Haven't read the whole thread but I'll reply.
That banner looks to me like large format inkjet.
It's usually printed on Flexface which is reinforced vinyl used for outdoor signage (especially backlit signs). I know this as I was a production manager at a sign company and we made signs just like this. Not only are large format inkjets very expensive, they need a very special computer setup with closed-loop color correction.

[Anti-Bubba182]

In you opinion could this be done in two to four hours?

[dawn53]

Just a question? Whose face is in the shadows behind Rice's? Is that Olmert?

[mewzilla]

Paging CNN...Who as of last night was reporting everything the Hezbos were saying about about Qana as incontrovertible fact.

[visualops]

The main graphic could have been put together at any time, at issue would be adding the photo at the bottom, and the text. The imagery used needs to be very high resolution. The final image is going to be a very large sign which is, even on a powerful computer will take time to rip and send to the printer. The it's going to take time to print. A long time.

[dawn53]

If this proves true, the blogosphere triumphs once again. Long live the pajamahadeen.

[visualops]

2 hours to complete the imagery, rip and print? No.
That sign looks to be about 30 feet long. That's big even for large format.

[Anti-Bubba182]

So the most likely answer is that the poster was made in advance.

[visualops]

What's disturbing and quite telling, is the resources that are available, at literally a moment's notice, for the Islamofascists to capitalize on an incident and use the global media to spread the message.

[EQAndyBuzz]

"The Islamoslobs have been very well aware from the beginning that half the battle takes place in the Media.. and much of the Media is corrupt."

They learned this from the American media and the Soviet media. It is called Vietnamization of the media. They are losing every battle but winning in the press.

[NaughtiusMaximus]

Liberal Media exposed once again as easy dupes for Terrorists.

[visualops]

I don't know what the exact time frame was between the bombing and the poster.

[freema]

Look at her fangs and the blood (lipstick) dripping from her lips to the pool of blood below containing the carnage of bodies.

[Anti-Bubba182]

How many hours would it take in you opinion?

[stlnative]

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[stlnative]

see post 36

[Anti-Bubba182]

How long would it take with this one?

[Raycpa]

The words could have been added to the basic background in little time.

In any case, the real problem of this discussion is it accepts the premise that if it wasn't staged Israel was being bad. The real question we should be asking is if the killing of Israel innocents from the hezbolla missiles is okay with everyone.

[AZRepublican]

I just woke-up....can someone tell me when this giant poster first appeared and where?