CO: Ban Damage: CO And now, the roofs begin tumbling down

United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | July 26, 2006 | Bill Johnson

[SheLion]

Liiks like I'll have to make a little trip down Lowell today.
Thanks for the ping. We knew it all along, huh? Sad, pathetic, antibusiness SOBs.

Hey! They need help getting signatures and you don't even have to get out of your car!  Go Quick!!!

[refermech]

Very sorry about your accident. Best wishes to you and your family.I guess this article was about the smoking ban and its affect on business. I think people should be able to smoke at bars. If a person doesn't like second hand smoke, just stay out of bars. The workplace where you are a captive audience is another matter altogether. I support smoking bans in the workplace and other public places.

[kaylar]

They are men and women who once ran tiny, yet prosperous, packed-to- the-kegs establishments, who now tend mostly empty bars. The looks on their faces would be no different had their roofs actually fallen in.

Can't have the sheep running their own businesses-that lets them be too independent. The role of sheep is to be "human resources" for corporations, and to spend their lives working to make other people money-at least till those other people find "human resources" willing to do the job for less.

I'm a nonsmoker, but sometimes the urge to take up smoking becomes will-nigh irresistable.

[IamConservative]

You would think so. My Dad was killed by a drunk driver that was on his way home from the bar.

You know alcohol will be targeted again sometime down the road. Alcohol doesn't burden the healthcare industry like smoking does, but it can be much more destructive. Alcohol abuse contributes to domestic violence, traffic deaths, personal heartaches and broken families.

I drink socially and quit smoking 8 years ago. Not being a prude, just observing the obvious discrepancy.

[stylin19a]

I wonder....are private clubs exempt from the ban ?

[RMDupree]

And where are all of the people, they all want to know, that the government promised would flock to their now-smoke-free bars?

Exactly!

It's not about folks not being able to go into these establishments because of the smoking.

It's about controlling other people's lives for their "own good".

Somewhere, someone is having a good time and it MUST BE STOPPED! /s

[RMDupree]

Puff ping.

[refermech]

Alcohol abuse costs us plenty. In the end people have to use their common sense to control themselves. Unfortunately when you drink your judgement is impaired. I know mine is!

[JimRed]

So, let me get this sraight. If you're a cigarette addict, and you can't smoke in the bars, you quit drinking? Or do you just stop going out and have the sixpack and half pint at home? Do you gather with other smokers at someone's home to sip and puff?

Much as I dislike smoke in my face, I don't think it is government's function to decide if a business should permit it or not. But it seems to me that smokers (in general, if the "stats" quoted are correct) are like the little kid who, if he can't have it his way, goes into a corner and sulks.

[6SJ7]

now they are going to illegal smoke filled bars. >

To enter a smoke-easy, remember the password ; "LSMFT". Pass it on.

[Beagle8U]

"Fewer drunks running over people or less bar profits. Tough choice"

I would think it would make drinking and driving go UP !

These stupid bans don't stop smoking or drinking, they cause people to DRIVE to the next town, then they get to DRIVE back.

[Raycpa]

Man, Ray, you are such a schmuck.

For the record, the first poster to make this a personal attack is a smoker. Must be frustrating to be losing all the time.

[JimRed]

These stupid bans don't stop smoking or drinking, they cause people to DRIVE to the next town, then they get to DRIVE back.

In our case you'd have to drive out of state. I don't know to which state as I haven't paid attention to their regulations.

[RMDupree]

Fewer drunks running over people or less bar profits. Tough choice.

That's an idiotic statement.

If anything, these folks are driving back and forth on multiple beer runs every night instead of the one trip home from the bar.

And in case you missed it, this is a smoking thread, not a drunk driver thread.

[RandallFlagg]

For the record, the first poster to make this a personal attack is a smoker. Must be frustrating to be losing all the time.

How can you throw out a general insult towards smokers and then complain about the response you receive? How does that happen?

You work at the UN or something?

[Beagle8U]

"Much as I dislike smoke in my face, I don't think it is government's function to decide if a business should permit it or not. But it seems to me that smokers (in general, if the "stats" quoted are correct) are like the little kid who, if he can't have it his way, goes into a corner and sulks."

Couldn't that exact same thing be said of the smoking Nazis?

They have smoke free bars, but thats not enough for them, they want them all to be smoke free ( because nobody is in the smoke free ones), so they stamp their lil feet and whine until smoking is banned and ALL the bars in town are empty.

[Miss Marple]

I will not go to a restaurant that has a no smoking policy.

The two largest cities in the county (south of Indianapolis) have gone no smoking, as has Indianapolis. I have a few restaurants that are outside city limits that I can go to. If the county passes an ordinance (the no smoking people are pushing for it county wide) then I will simply get carryout and stay home. Cheaper that way, anyway.

Sooner or later someone is going to figure out a way around this. I don't want to offend people with smoking, but good gosh, smoking in public was ok for nearly 100 years, and I am tired of listening to the griping.

[SW6906]

"The workplace where you are a captive audience is another matter altogether. I support smoking bans in the workplace and other public places."

Who says they have to work there? Can't an adult make a conscious decision to work in such an environment? Just as they can decide not to frequent a smoking establishment, can't they chose not to work there?

And no, don't compare it to working at something like a job with hazardous, deadly chemicals without protection. It's not the same.

gotta go to work now...where it's been no smoking for 25 years or more.

[stevestras]

"For the record, the first poster to make this a personal attack is a smoker. Must be frustrating to be losing all the time."

Must be frustrating to be an American and advocate government control of your life. Anyone that thinks smoking bans are good policy should move to Cuba where government is expected to tell you what to do.

[HIDEK6]

Fewer drunks running over people or less bar profits. Tough choice.

I'd call it a false choice.