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To: JasonC
re :Then you do it again. And then you do it again.

LOL I knew you were going to say that, so each time Israel occupies more land, displaces more people, has more borders to defend.

And where will these displaced individuals go Turkey Iraq, great lets destabilise those ares even more, what about Jordan and then Saudi Arabia.

Maybe move some to Egypt.

We will end up with a bigger mess than we already have.

You mention about Israel handing the territory back in 67.

Yes they did because they did not want to go into the occupation business with all the problems that will entail.

You think those individuals will leave there countries.

Do you really think Israel has the manpower to clear out whole cities with out a raft of miniature mini Stalingrad scenarios.

Its not about fair or unfair its a case of only biting of what you can chew.

Israel is never going to win this war by military means, Israel recognizes this.

The Palestinians and other Islamic groups are never going to defeat Israel military they have not yet recognized this.

We have a stalemate, and as with stalemates you have to open a new front political economic military some of all.

It needs a new initiative not more of the same.

108 posted on 08/02/2006 6:19:27 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
A bigger mess is great, as long as it is their mess. Even their mess too. Making a much nastier mess for the enemy is sort of the point of war.

As for who will leave when given 48 hours, maybe few will. Then you clear blocks with artillery fire and ask again. If few still leave, it is their problem. Nowhere is it written that sullen anarchists have a right not to obey an occupying power. They have no such right. If they disobey an order to leave and Israel kills them for it, it is par for the course.

And it really doesn't matter how many pick which option. Entirely up to them.

As for "not wanting to get into the occupation business", um, hate to break it to you but that is how Israel got into the occupation business. You will notice they weren't in that business as a result of the 1947 war, despite the fact that they took territory in 1947, and kept it too. Depsite is actually the wrong term. "Because" fits the case rather better.

There wouldn't be a Palestinian anything if they hadn't been playing pattycake and running an occupation business - badly, into the ground - for the last forty years. It is a little too late for that one.

If you don't want to defeat your enemies and they want to defeat you, you will be defeated, pure and simple. If you expect to survive and win, you have to be willing to actually defeat your enemies, and to make those defeats expensive unwanted permanent and real. Israel has been playing games with public opinion and trying to placate the implacable instead. It doesn't remotely work.

Even if it ever was worth trying, it is clearly utterly bankrupt as a policy now.

Israel's continued existence does not depends on the stability of thuggish regimes around it, which aren't very stable to start with and certainly don't treat Israel nicely out of the kindness of their hearts. It does not depend on international public opinion, which wants Israel destroyed and its inhabitants exterminated or forced to flee to the west - and to the US in particular, not to their own countries. It does not depend on its standing with the "Arab street", which wants all Israelis exterminated.

It depends on one thing only - might, and the willingness to use it.

113 posted on 08/02/2006 3:49:16 PM PDT by JasonC
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