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To: tonycavanagh
A bigger mess is great, as long as it is their mess. Even their mess too. Making a much nastier mess for the enemy is sort of the point of war.

As for who will leave when given 48 hours, maybe few will. Then you clear blocks with artillery fire and ask again. If few still leave, it is their problem. Nowhere is it written that sullen anarchists have a right not to obey an occupying power. They have no such right. If they disobey an order to leave and Israel kills them for it, it is par for the course.

And it really doesn't matter how many pick which option. Entirely up to them.

As for "not wanting to get into the occupation business", um, hate to break it to you but that is how Israel got into the occupation business. You will notice they weren't in that business as a result of the 1947 war, despite the fact that they took territory in 1947, and kept it too. Depsite is actually the wrong term. "Because" fits the case rather better.

There wouldn't be a Palestinian anything if they hadn't been playing pattycake and running an occupation business - badly, into the ground - for the last forty years. It is a little too late for that one.

If you don't want to defeat your enemies and they want to defeat you, you will be defeated, pure and simple. If you expect to survive and win, you have to be willing to actually defeat your enemies, and to make those defeats expensive unwanted permanent and real. Israel has been playing games with public opinion and trying to placate the implacable instead. It doesn't remotely work.

Even if it ever was worth trying, it is clearly utterly bankrupt as a policy now.

Israel's continued existence does not depends on the stability of thuggish regimes around it, which aren't very stable to start with and certainly don't treat Israel nicely out of the kindness of their hearts. It does not depend on international public opinion, which wants Israel destroyed and its inhabitants exterminated or forced to flee to the west - and to the US in particular, not to their own countries. It does not depend on its standing with the "Arab street", which wants all Israelis exterminated.

It depends on one thing only - might, and the willingness to use it.

113 posted on 08/02/2006 3:49:16 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
re :As for who will leave when given 48 hours, maybe few will. Then you clear blocks with artillery fire and ask again. If few still leave, it is their problem. Nowhere is it written that sullen anarchists have a right not to obey an occupying power. They have no such right. If they disobey an order to leave and Israel kills them for it, it is par for the course.

Gosh you make it sound so easy.

And you really think Israel will do this, to block after block in city after city and what happens if its women and children, you miles away might be able to say so what they deserve it.

Take my word for it it is different when you are face to face with it.

Action such as that would break the Israeli nation.

You are asking them to carry out policies similar to that carried out by the Germans in the 1940 to 1942 period in Poland, at that time they were not executing the Jews of Poland, that activity was being carried out by the Einsatzgruppen and it was mainly shooting Jews of the Soviet Union to make room for the new arrivals. There was a pecking order while everybody hated the western Jews there was an idea that they could be put to use while those of the Soviet variety were earmarked for destruction straight away.

No in Poland the Jews were being cleared out block by block as they started to empty the towns and cities of Jews and Poles in the ares to be annexed to the Greater German Reich.

That would play well in the media especial in Israel.

And what if say Syria wont take any of these refugees in can you imagine refugees stranded in the border area a replay of the Zbaszyn deportation where Jews of polish origins were kicked out of Germany but not allowed into Poland.

I have served in countries where expulsions ethnic religious cleaning has occurred, not actually taken part just been deployed there.

In all but a few cases the local authorities had to employ street scrum, criminal gangs and other assorted para military groups to do the (PRE) population reduction exercise.

It takes a special type of man to be able to manhandle civilians, children old women old enough to be granny, children young enough to be your son or daughter (I have both).

I have yet to meet a member of the IDF serving and ex who I think is capable of it.

Maybe we should form PRE groups and recruit like minded individuals such as your good self who wont be bothered by such things.

122 posted on 08/03/2006 12:42:27 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: JasonC
defeating Al Qaida in Iraq and establishing a democracy with an economy embracing capitalism will start to unravel the repressive regimes of the Middle East that provide the support base Al Qaida so desperately needs.

Col. William Ivey US Army.

What I have been saying here, Iraq is the key.

Israel needs to run a holding operation as they have for the last almost 60 years, but this time we are in the driving seat.Remove Iran, who is going to support the terrorists with money and resources they will have to make peace terms with Israel.

136 posted on 08/04/2006 6:37:01 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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