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Radical Muslim in top job at British Foreign and Commonwealth office
Timesonline ^

Posted on 07/30/2006 4:19:48 PM PDT by thundrey

Radical past of top Whitehall Islamic aide Dipesh Gadher DISTURBING details have emerged about the radical background of the chief adviser on Islamic affairs at the Foreign Office.

Mockbul Ali, a 26-year-old civil servant, was involved in a Muslim student group that has published material supporting Palestinian female suicide bombers.

The Union of Muslim Students (UMS), which has been repeatedly praised by ministers as a paragon of moderate Islam, also carried articles in its newspaper by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a Qatar-based preacher banned from entering America.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; enemywithin; eurabia; fifthcolumn; gwot; infiltration; islam; jihad; jihadintheuk; muslim; swine; terrorism; terrorists; wot
This is so stupid. Letting a radical muslim have access to sensitive information that could benefit terrorists working against British interests that he sympathises with?

I don't think any oath of loyalty he swore to an infidel queen will be any guarantee of his reliability....

1 posted on 07/30/2006 4:19:49 PM PDT by thundrey
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To: thundrey
Actual title:

Radical past of top Whitehall Islamic aide

2 posted on 07/30/2006 4:25:30 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: thundrey

This is right up there with our hiring radical imams as prison chaplains where they recruit the inmates to anti-American terrorism.


3 posted on 07/30/2006 4:26:53 PM PDT by Argus
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To: thundrey

This is so stupid.
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A perfect example of a byproduct of the mental disease called LIBERALISM.


4 posted on 07/30/2006 4:37:51 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Argus
This is right up there with our hiring radical imams as prison chaplains where they recruit the inmates to anti-American terrorism.

Not to sound all Liberal and everything but you cant exactly put someone in prison and then expect them to be sympathetic to the general society's beliefs. Many prisoners (whilst JUSTLY serving the time they were given) come from broken homes and are very open to anything that is as anti-establishment and radical as Islam is in America. Rather than seeing their time as something that is a punishment for crimes that they committed they want to feel that they are victims even as adults and society is to blame. Jesus is all about personal responsibility. I think also the difficulty that reformed felons have in finding steady jobs even if their behavior in prison shows that they have not caused any trouble leads many to take the easier option and become a self righteous jihadist who is a victim of The Great Satan. It seems Prison is one area where the "hearts and minds" battle is being won by radical Islam because civilized society doesn't care. But the long term effects of Violent converts to Islam will be Horrendous..mark my words.
5 posted on 07/30/2006 4:41:15 PM PDT by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: Argus

"This is right up there with our hiring radical imams as prison chaplains where they recruit the inmates to anti-American terrorism."

Or letting CAIR define policy.


6 posted on 07/30/2006 4:42:55 PM PDT by Peisistratus (O xein angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tede...)
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To: EagleUSA

Unfortunately what started out as plain Liberalism in this country has now become a twisted sense of logic that defys any proper reasoning.

Political correctness is nothing else other than an excuse for spinelessness to avoid confrontation and this is where it gets dangerous for all of us.

When I hear and read about this kind of stupidity over here I sometimes have to ask whether normal people are now in the minority. If so then Britain is doomed!


7 posted on 07/30/2006 4:52:19 PM PDT by snowman_returns (Just enforced a politically correct free-zone around my house!)
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[i]Political correctness is nothing else other than an excuse for spinelessness to avoid confrontation and this is where it gets dangerous for all of us.[/i]

If that were true, why are the PC brigade so confrontational when it comes to rooting out those who would dare challenge the liberal orthodoxy and commit speechcrime?


8 posted on 07/30/2006 6:05:42 PM PDT by thundrey
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If that were true, why are the PC brigade so confrontational when it comes to rooting out those who would dare challenge the liberal orthodoxy and commit speechcrime?

Good point, I guess they know the people who challenge their phony liberalism won't bite back with avengeance. The PC brigade wouldn't dare challenge the very anti-liberal politics of muslims because they'd be afraid of the consequences. Whats needed here is a grass roots revolution to overthrow the PC brigade once and for all.

9 posted on 07/31/2006 2:15:55 AM PDT by snowman_returns (Just enforced a politically correct free-zone around my house!)
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To: newfarm4000n; thundrey; snowman_returns
This has nothing to do with liberalism, political correctness or all the other excuses wheeled out when something happens that you do not agree with or not understand why is is happening.

In Britain we have a long history stretching right back to the formation of Empire and before that of co-opting people from the other side those deemed hostile or hostile and neutral.

It gives us a better understanding of the other side and it keeps lines of communication open and it worked well in all our past terrorist wars.

10 posted on 07/31/2006 2:22:31 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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I would understand your point if he was a REFORMED Radical. But he is not, he is an unrepentent radical who sympathises with terrorists.
They say it takes a thief to catch a thief, but unless the thief in question is a reformed thief, why would he be working for the thief takers if it is against his interests to do so?


11 posted on 07/31/2006 3:10:01 AM PDT by thundrey
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re :who sympathises with terrorists.

That is a sticking point if you sympathises with a cause does that mean you sympathise with the terrorist.

Also he is not part of the thief taking operation, he is part of the FO that is responsible for dealing with the Muslim community here and abroad.

The Muslim nations we are dealing with do not agree with the terrorists but do agree with the cause that much of the terrorist acts are based upon especially where Israel and Palestine are concerned.

That is why this department was set up.

12 posted on 07/31/2006 3:28:36 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
In Britain we have a long history stretching right back to the formation of Empire and before that of co-opting people from the other side those deemed hostile or hostile and neutral.

Indeed we do, you're correct and this was very much the case when we were trying to defeat the IRA, the operations were all very much undercover and about trusting informants. However, I disagree when you say it's nothing to do with liberalism and PC, employment laws and equal opportunities have skewed the boundarys of intelligent selection to the point where so called positive discrimination has flourished and been heavily abused by money grabbing lawyers willing to pounce on the first disguntled muslim he/she can find who had trouble getting a job.

13 posted on 07/31/2006 3:43:10 AM PDT by snowman_returns (Just enforced a politically correct free-zone around my house!)
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He is not part of Intelligence he is part of a section of the Foreign Office, that department has nothing to do with covert ops, it is very much a overt department.

Cynics may say the velvet glove.

And Intelligence selection and recruitment is a lot more rigorous and professional that before.

BTW what part of England are you from, I am a London lad East End, living in Birmingham but being moved to Manchester

14 posted on 07/31/2006 3:55:20 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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East London (Bethnal Green) originally, moved down to near Southend-on-Sea in the late Seventies as a young lad.

Southend is a pretty good especially the seafront area with the Adventure Island park, ironically it's become very popular for folk to retire down here in the last few years as well, I guess it must be a nostalgic yearning for the old days when people had annual company excursions from London to come here.


15 posted on 07/31/2006 4:38:56 AM PDT by snowman_returns (Just enforced a politically correct free-zone around my house!)
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Bethnal Green snap you moved to South End in the late 70s you say, how old were you, I am 45 now, I was a teenager in the late 70s used to play footy in Victoria park with a lot of the lads from that area, I wonder if I new you.
16 posted on 07/31/2006 4:57:15 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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I was very young when I moved down to SOS properly not even a teenager just 11, I guess in my last post I should have put child instead of young lad, that would have made it clearer.

I'm 37 now (birthday approaching this month) but Victoria Park hasn't been erased from my memory as I played there with several kids from Ayrton Gould House which is just off Roman Road (This probably around 1975 - 77 era). The last of my family left Ayrton Gould House in 1995 and I still have an uncle living down the botton of Cyprus Street which is just off Bonner Street.

Very hard to believe how it's all changed though!


17 posted on 07/31/2006 5:45:27 AM PDT by snowman_returns (Just enforced a politically correct free-zone around my house!)
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LOL you would of been to young for me to have even acknowledged you existed.

Do you remember Kings Road North of Victoria Park of Hackeney road, old factory now loft apartments going for about £250,000 its becoming very yuppfied now

18 posted on 07/31/2006 5:52:12 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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I don't honestly remember Kings Road, but I do remember more of the old landmarks round the area very well like the Old Bethnal Green museum and the Bee Hive pub.

Not to mention the Pie & Mash shop, I think there's still one down Roman Road actually!!

Talking of yuppified areas Cyprus Street is pretty expensive still..


19 posted on 07/31/2006 6:08:05 AM PDT by snowman_returns (Just enforced a politically correct free-zone around my house!)
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To: snowman_returns
The PC brigade wouldn't dare challenge the very anti-liberal politics of muslims because they'd be afraid of the consequences.

PC was invented by libs for the sole purpose of stifling debate on where 40-60 years of Marxism-sold-by-the-shotglass statism has wrought on the fabric of western society. You'd think if radical leftism is superior to conservatism, they'd welcome debate, since the truth will withstand any scrutiny...

20 posted on 07/31/2006 7:48:13 AM PDT by Tulsa Brian (This is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and number and I'll get back to you...)
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