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7/29 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 7/29/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 07/28/2006 11:26:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Israeli soldiers rest at an artillery position in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Friday July 28, 2006.

Updates

IDF soldier seriously injured in Bint Jbeil (09:14 , 07.29.06)

IDF hits over 60 Hizbullah targets (09:11 , 07.29.06)

Solana confident UN will push for international force in Southern Lebanon (08:28 , 07.29.06)

Annan plans meeting for potential contributors to international force for Lebanon (07:58 , 07.29.06)

Japan ground troops to mark official end to Iraq mission (07:23 , 07.29.06)

Bint Jbeil battle: 6 Soldiers lightly to moderately injured (05:28 , 07.29.06)

Moscow pushes Iran to respond to incentives deal (05:10 , 07.29.06)

Canada winding down Lebanon evacuation (05:08 , 07.29.06)

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades group says killed Yakir settler (05:06 , 07.29.06)

Bush apologizes to Blair over failure to declare planes carried missiles for Israel (05:02 , 07.29.06)

IAF strikes 60 targets in Lebanon (04:58 , 07.29.06)

1 dead, 5 hurt in Seattle Jewish center shooting


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; breaking; gwot; hizballah; iaf; idf; israel; middleeast
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To: Candor7

Correct. Israel is squeezing from all sides.


381 posted on 07/29/2006 11:46:38 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: Fitzcarraldo; BurbankKarl; SE Mom; sofaman; La Enchiladita

2 part series on Hezbollah New Yorker Mag 2002

Are terrorists in Lebanon preparing for a larger war?

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/021014fa_fact4

Hezbollah sets up operations in South America and the United States.

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/021028fa_fact2


382 posted on 07/29/2006 11:48:16 AM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: jeffers

God, you are gloomy.


383 posted on 07/29/2006 11:48:31 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: All

Foxnews.com had repeat videos of the reporters stories.

Video: Israeli Forces Move Out of Bint Jbail


384 posted on 07/29/2006 11:49:32 AM PDT by casino66 (A beater of dead horses.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Place mark. Thanks Fitz


385 posted on 07/29/2006 11:50:01 AM PDT by McGavin999 (God watch over the young lions of Israel!)
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To: sofaman

God's speed to the Israelis as they face the rat/snakes.


386 posted on 07/29/2006 11:50:23 AM PDT by Pepper777
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To: La Enchiladita; jeffers

He is being realistic..not gloomy.


387 posted on 07/29/2006 11:53:14 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I think the Israelis are contemplating flattening villages down to the last house,

Well that would be a start. Of course doing it a week ago would have been better. I just don't know if the Western world retains even the semblance of a backbone that would be required to do the things they need to do to win. We are as doomed as the Incas who refused to give up their highly ritualized forms of warfare and as a result were destroyed by vastly inferior Spanish forces.
388 posted on 07/29/2006 11:55:36 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: All

Another 'peaceful' protest.

http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/violent_mob_wants_peace/


389 posted on 07/29/2006 11:58:17 AM PDT by casino66 (A beater of dead horses.)
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To: Pepper777
Even more outrageous is the possibility of yet another land grab from Israel for so called peace.

'Rice wrong on Mount Dov' (Shaba Farms)
Jerusalem Post

Jul. 27, 2006 23:07 | Updated Jul. 28, 2006 0:35
By GIL HOFFMAN

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was wrong to advise Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to begin negotiations with Lebanon over the withdrawal of the IDF from the Mount Dov (Shaba Farms) area, former foreign minister Silvan Shalom (Likud) said Thursday.

The Jerusalem Post reported exclusively on Thursday that the US was counseling Israel to negotiate a withdrawal from the 160-square-kilometer parcel of land, located where the borders of Israel, Lebanon and Syria meet, as part of a long-term arrangement for Lebanon.

"The Americans are making a big mistake," Shalom said. "There is no way to justify the demands of the Hizbullah for Israel to give Lebanon the Shaba Farms area, because this territory was Syrian until 1967 and it should be discussed with Syria when the time will come to negotiating on a peace treaty with them. This concession would be translated by the Hizbullah and Arabs as a victory against Israelis surrendering territory again."

390 posted on 07/29/2006 11:59:17 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: sofaman

Thank you. A lot of doom-sayers around here ...


391 posted on 07/29/2006 12:00:58 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: GonzoGOP
I just don't know if the Western world retains even the semblance of a backbone that would be required to do the things they need to do to win.

If the hezz were in a poker game with the IDF and the rules were applied to that as in the war, guess who would walk away with all the money.

392 posted on 07/29/2006 12:01:18 PM PDT by Mr Cobol (Quit swatting at flies and go after the manure pile. Curtis LeMay on VIET NAM WAR!)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

I don't.


393 posted on 07/29/2006 12:03:05 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: hipaatwo
From one of your interesting links:

" Abdallah insisted that he himself had no connection to Hezbollah, but he conceded that, like other Lebanese businessmen, he had given money to the group. "Five years ago, people were expected to give twenty per cent of their income," he said.""

They sound just like the mafia. What the heck is wrong with most of the world today? Don't countries such as France realize what kind of thugs these people are? Appeasement will only embolden these killers.
394 posted on 07/29/2006 12:03:14 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: tcrlaf

It doesn't need to be "debunked." It's automatically CRAP.


395 posted on 07/29/2006 12:05:10 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: Lizarde; jeffers
I have been so out of the news loop it isn't funny.....is this news or has it been posted before...found it at Powerline.

Israel has also confirmed that Nur Shalhoub, a senior Hezbollah terrorist, was killed in an aerial attack of his vehicle on Thursday. Shalhoub was responsible for the smuggling of strategic weapons for Hezbollah including long range missiles, which can reach deep into Israel. The IAF targeted the vehicle in the area of Bekaa during a smuggling attempt. In addition to Shalhub, several additional terrorists who were in the vehicle were killed. The vehicle was loaded with missiles at the time of the attack.

396 posted on 07/29/2006 12:07:57 PM PDT by Dog
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To: La Enchiladita

Jennifer Griffen and Trace Gallager reporting on FOX that the IDF is expanding ground ops.

Jennifer made the analytical remark that the diplomatic phase is coming so each side has to make some moves near the end to make it look like they were victorious and can claim victory publicly. That's her take on the expanded IDF ground ops.


397 posted on 07/29/2006 12:08:37 PM PDT by jhp
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To: sofaman

PM Blair is here in California for a few days ...

Don't know if this is correct, but read that he will meet with Peres here.

Did you see the link in post 348?

Iran and the Hizzies, screaming a la francais?


398 posted on 07/29/2006 12:09:02 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Down with "Proportionality" ...YES to Israel, NO to terrorism)...(((AM YISRAEL CHAI!)))
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To: Txsleuth; jhp; jeffers; Allegra; La Enchiladita; tcrlaf; Bahbah; sofaman; ...
OK,

before we know what Ms Rice is going to bring to Israel, and before we actually know what the IDF has been allowed to do or not to do, let us look at the situation from the other side.

By the other side I do not mean Iran, Syria, Hezbollah etc, but our other enemies - the appeasers, the EU, the UN, State Dept in the US, FO in the UK, the DIms etc etc.

Whether they understand it or not an end to the present conflict that makes it look like Israel has lost will actually cause a lot of problems for the groups I mentioned above.

a) If Hezbollah is allowed to "win", ie survive, there is no way Iran is going to give in regarding its nuclear development program. UN/EU/diplomacy without any guns behind it will once again be seen to be completely useless - not good for State, UN, EU, FO if its Pentagon that will have to deal with the issue.

b) Whether one likes it or not, in the Middle East Israel is seen as a client of the US. If Israel is seen to lose then it means that the US is weak. Syria and Iran will increase their aid to their respective clients in Iraq and the risk of a civil war will increase. (I argue that in direct contradiction to what so called "right-wing" nuts like Buchanan contend - a US support of a winner will not increase the risk of civil war in Iraq, but a loser will.)

A civil war in Iraq may cause short term benefits to the Democrats, but in the long term it will mean more US forces in the Middle East, and a possible military confrontation with Iran.

c) One of the major losers if Hezbollah wins will be the Christians and the Sunnis and the Druzes in Lebanon. The winners, apart from Hezbollah, will be Syria, Iran and the Shiite community in Lebanon. I am not so sure that France will be happy about that.

d) Another main loser - and now we are talking of a darling of the "International Community - will be Abbas and Fatah. If Hezbollah "wins" it will be a major boost for Hamas. Abbas will lose all power, large numbers of Fatah members will change allegiances, and in any future civil war Fatah will lose.

e) Whether they like it or not sometime the International Community will have to take into account the Israeli voters. If Olmert allows Hezb to survive, and with them the threat of further missile strikes against all of Israel, it is more than likely that we will see a new election in Israel very shortly.

A right wing government, where the leader of Likud may be the most moderate is not unlikely in such a scenario.

The Road Map to Peace would be dead, a reoccupation of Gaza would probably take place, and maybe a new clash between Israel and Lebanon.

And Israel may find it necessary to use Jeffers 4th point - no rockets stationed within x miles of Israel, and ALL options are on the table.

It is possible that the anti-Israeli sentiment, the anti-Semitism, the hope of giving President Bush a black eye, will make the appeasers and Tranzis overlook all the problems that a cease-fire will cause their pet policies, but if only very very slightly rational, the best they can hope for - from their own point of view - is for Israel to thump Hezbollah properly.
399 posted on 07/29/2006 12:09:55 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: La Enchiladita

Shalom is right, imho. Wonder whose idea this is?


400 posted on 07/29/2006 12:11:33 PM PDT by Pepper777
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