7/29 Middle East Live Thread

I can't wait until all hell breaks loose and we are kicking the Iranian mullahs and their supporters back to the stone age!!!
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I wish it were as simple as that. Seems to me that the puppet masters are setting Iran up to kick much larger festivities off. Iran will certainly get theirs. I just don't know what will happen between now and then. Very sobering, to me.

I guess part of me thinks that a glassy Mecca and Medina would be well deserved--with some warning for the 'innocents' to have a chance to leave. But then the Islamic backlash worldwide would be more than horrible. But then such outrageous attacks by increasing numbers of Islamics are likely anyway . . . but then . . . Sigh.

101 posted on 07/29/2006 5:44:08 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

Is that the scary guy they were talking about the other day...the one who planned the Marine barracks bombing?

102 posted on 07/29/2006 5:44:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)

Israel faces a "live free or die" moment here.

Your plan is approved. Carry on!

103 posted on 07/29/2006 5:45:52 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))

To: ScaniaBoy; jeffers; jhp

I think that this should be posted in full

Hizbullah: Patience is our virtue

A reporter with the Guardian newspaper visited Hizbullah areas in Tyre in south Lebanon. Hizbullah, according to a Guardian report published Saturday, has been preparing for the current fighting with Israel for years with Iran's assistance.

The group has called up reserve men a month ago and gunmen are waiting for IDF soldiers in secret hideouts.

The report paints a picture of an impenetrable organization whose members are recruited a young age and do nothing but follow strict orders.

The group has already set itself a target once the fighting with Israel ends: Lebanese politicians critical of the group.

Ghaith Abdul-Ahad describes a hideout full of arms and books where he met Shiite cleric Sayed Ali and three other Hizbullah terrorists. The four are in a room waiting for IDF soldiers.

"Patience is our main virtue, we can wait for days, weeks, months before we attack. The Israelis are always impatient in battle and in strategy," Sayed Ali, who claims to be a descendant of the prophet, told the Guardian reporter. "I know them very well."

Ali fought with Hizbullah for 17 years and was arrested and jailed by Israel during its 1982 invasion of Lebanon. Over the last five years he has been studying theology in Tehran. Hizbullah asked him to return home a month ago part of their reserve call-up campaign.

Pointing to banana plantations over the hills Ali told the Guardian reporter: "I have fought for years in these groves. We used to sit and wait for them to make a move and then we would hit. They always moved too quickly, too soon."

"We stay put and we don't move till we get our orders, and this is why we are not like any other militia. A militiaman will fire whenever he likes at whatever he likes," explains a gunmen who says he has been involved in firing Katyusha rockets into Israel. "We have specific orders. Even when we fire rockets we know when and where to fire and each of the men manning the launchers runs to a specific hiding place after firing the rockets."

The men say they seek hiding because every launching pad is targeted by Israeli jets within 10 to 15 minutes.

Hit commando and Golani soldiers
Another terrorist, claiming to be Sayed Ali's brother, says Hizbullah teaches its fighters to be patient. "During our training we spend days in empty buildings without talking to anyone or doing anything. They tell me go and sit in that building, and I go and sit there and wait."

Ali who is the commander of his village says he is waiting for further instructions as how to act. "Hizbullah hasn't even mobilized all its active fighters, and the Israelis are calling their reserve units," he said.

"We don't take anyone who knocks at our door and says 'I want to join'. We raise our fighters. We take them when they are young kids and raise them to become Hizbullah fighters. Every fighter we have believes that the ultimate form of being is martyrdom," Sayed Ali says, showing pride in the group's discipline and secretiveness.

Ali told the Guardian that he has been preparing for this fight for years and admits that Iran supported Hizbullah all along. "When we defeated them in 2000 we did that with (Katyusha) rockets. We had six years to prepare for this day - the Americans are sending laser-guided missiles to the Israelis, what's wrong if the Iranians help us? When the Syrians were here we would get stuff through their supply lines, now it's more difficult."

If Israel wins we will go back dozens of years
Ali and his men said they see the current fighting with Israel as a war of survival, not only for Hizbullah but for the Shiite faith.

He says the struggle is not just against Israel but also against the Lebanese Sunni. "If Israel comes out victorious from this conflict, this will be a victory for the Sunnis and they will take the Shia community back in history dozens of years to the time when we were only allowed to work as garbage collectors in this country. The Shia will all die before letting this happen again."

He warned that even if the international community asks Hizbullah to lay down its arms in the frame of a ceasefire he and his men will keep their arms.

"This war is episode two in disarming Hizbullah. First they tried to do it through the Lebanese government and the UN. When they failed, the Americans asked the Israelis to do the job."

He refuted Israeli claims the Hizbullah has been weakened: "Things are going very well now, whatever happens we are winning. If they keep bombing us we will stay in the shelters, and with each bomb more people support the resistance. If they invade they will repeat the miserable fate they had in 1982, and if they hold one square foot they will give the Islamic resistance all the legitimacy. If they want to kill Hizbullah they have to kill every Shia in the south of Lebanon."

"The real battle is after the end of this war. We will have to settle score with the Lebanese politicians. We also have the best security and intelligence apparatus in this country, and we can reach any of those people who are speaking against us now. Let's finish with the Israelis and then we will settle scores later."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3282996,00.html

Comment: This is very important. The command and control system of Hezbollah has to be destroyed, as they are waiting for orders, a crackdown of the leadership may destroy Hezbollah. A scary item is the last paragraph. It should be studied very carefully by the Sunnis and Christians in Lebanon. It seems that a civil war is necessary.

104 posted on 07/29/2006 5:45:54 AM PDT by AdmSmith

To: Proud_USA_Republican

two women dressed in full black burkas with only their eyes showing and a man in full islamic clothing and full length beard ordering them around as they walked behind him.
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I understand most women of the region of origin do their kagel exercises so diligently that they can easily cause very serious pain to their 'honey.' Is that how they retaliate? Or do they slice and dice with their words. Or are they just masochists?

Or overly complicit idiots?

105 posted on 07/29/2006 5:48:58 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

That is an important and frightening article. It certainly doesn't bode well for any type of a peace settlement other than killing them or rounding them all up and deporting them.

What a horrible situation!

106 posted on 07/29/2006 5:50:23 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)

"I guess part of me thinks that a glassy Mecca and Medina would be well deserved--with some warning for the 'innocents' to have a chance to leave. But then the Islamic backlash worldwide would be more than horrible. But then such outrageous attacks by increasing numbers of Islamics are likely anyway . . . but then . . . Sigh."

Unfortunately, I think you're right. This will get very ugly before it ever gets better.

I may be fatalistic, but I see this has a war that has to happen and since it's inevitable, I would just as soon it happened now .

Waiting only means our kids will have to fight it.

107 posted on 07/29/2006 5:51:13 AM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/07/29/444533.html

"Israeli Planes Pound Targets in Lebanon"

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/07/29/444497.html

"Israel Rejects U.N. Request for Cease-Fire"

The war continues with Israel not giving up.
Sec Rice will arrive with a deal:

"As the fighting continued, Rice was bringing a package of proposals to Lebanese and Israeli leaders aimed at ending the fighting. She plans to meet first with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jerusalem on Saturday night, said Mark Regev, spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry."

"Rice's peace plan seeks an international agreement on a U.N.-mandated multinational force that can provide stability in the region, according to a U.S. official speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions."

"It also proposes disarming Hezbollah and integrating the guerrilla force into the Lebanese army, a commitment to resolve the status of a piece of land held by Israel and claimed by Lebanon, a no-go buffer zone be set up in southern Lebanon, Hezbollah returning Israeli prisoners, and the creation of an international reconstruction plan for Lebanon."

108 posted on 07/29/2006 5:52:39 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)

Rats. Thought I had the formatting all square. Should have previewed yet again!

Sorry.

109 posted on 07/29/2006 5:55:35 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

" It certainly doesn't bode well for any type of a peace settlement other than killing them or rounding them all up and deporting them"

Deporting them just allows the problem to fester in another area.

I'm not blood thirty by any means, I just don't see any other solution than exterminating hamas and al quieda.

110 posted on 07/29/2006 5:55:58 AM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)

I agree entirely. And on the end of his grave where his flapping mouth is.

111 posted on 07/29/2006 5:56:30 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

"Israeli military intelligence has assessed that Hizbullah's intelligence chief could have been killed in a massive air strike on the movement's headquarters in Lebanon. Israeli sources said Imad Mughniyeh was believed to have been seriously injured or killed in a July 19 strike on Hizbullah headquarters in Beirut."

I seriously hope and pray they got this sucker.

Panties Be Upon Him.

112 posted on 07/29/2006 5:59:08 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)

Yes, that's him.

He's scary all right, when he's pointing a weapon at women and children or people sleeping, but when US troops surrounded his aircraft on the ground in Sigonella after the Achille Lauro incident, he stayed glued to his seat like a good little coward.

Terrorists, when faced with trained and disciplined troops, either shoot and die, or run. When you stop shooting at terrorists, they aim at your kids.

113 posted on 07/29/2006 6:00:11 AM PDT by jeffers

Here is a talkback for the article

23. So true
I'm Lebanese and I can tell you that this article freaks me out, because all the written is true. All shiites in lebanon has been brought up with the idea of being used as garbage collectors by the sunnies.With the help of syria they took out official positions everywhere in the social system and they're not willing to give it back. These guys should be defeated. I'm really thankful that Israel is somehow doing the job for us, because i don't think we can do it since we're weak, helpless and not armed. These guys want to deal with us afterwards because we want to live in peace with our neighbours. I just hope israel will finish the job. Syria Iran and Hizbullah shold not have the right to exist and if there's a God he should know that. Ron , Lebanon (07.29.06)

114 posted on 07/29/2006 6:00:22 AM PDT by AdmSmith

I rather thoroughly agree with you--destroy the command structure and all the supply lines and political sympathesizers etc.

When it will happen is likely to be much later than I'd prefer--which was weeks and months and years ago.

115 posted on 07/29/2006 6:00:47 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

To: AdmSmith; jhp; jeffers; Allegra

Read this article. More on Hezb communications that more or less tally with the other article.

More later, but pretty busy today. Will look in now and then on this thread.

UN official fears Israel will raze Tyre

jhp: More comments on Israel's strategy here: http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2006/07/further_thought.html

jeffers - It may still come to that - but I think the tripwire is Tel Aviv. A rocket into Tel Aviv and Israel will finally slip the shackels of trying to appease the International Community and do what is best for her, come what may.

Allegra:

So far today I haven't heard any news from Iraq - and acting on the premise that no news is good news - I hope everything is calm. Take care.

116 posted on 07/29/2006 6:03:32 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)

I have mixed feelings about the timing.

I certainly believe satan is eager to get global 'festivities' going ahead of God's timing.

On the other hand . . . [with different fingers] . . .

Letting the evil globalist idiots build up more horror on the part of the most evil tools in their quiver doesn't please me at all.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over Iran, NKorea, Syria, Cuba, Chevez and major portions of Pak being taken out permanently. I know it will happen . . . and probably later than I'd prefer.

Thankfully, God is a better general than I am.

117 posted on 07/29/2006 6:04:16 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

Panties Be Upon Him.
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Indeed, made out of boar's skin with the scratchiest part in--just for symbolism on his dead carcass.

LOL.

118 posted on 07/29/2006 6:05:49 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

H-ll,

Was he also involved in the Achille Lauro? And did the Italians let this b**gger off as well the one who died in Baghdad after the invasion.

I'm fuming....

119 posted on 07/29/2006 6:07:06 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)

When you stop shooting at terrorists, they aim at your kids.
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Could we tattoo that on the foreheads of all the Mainstream talking heads, editors, reporters . . . and most of the traitorous U.S. Senate?

120 posted on 07/29/2006 6:07:12 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)

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