Posted on 07/28/2006 9:47:33 PM PDT by humint
Baghdad, Jul. 28 – Members of the Kurdish rebel group PKK have killed five Iranian soldiers in the northwest of the country, Kurdistan Television reported on Thursday. The clashed took place near the town of Qal’eh Rash in Iranian Kurdistan Province. Three other soldiers were injured, according to the report. The PKK has announced that four of its members were also killed in the fighting. Kurdistan Television also said that 10 Turkish soldiers were killed and fifteen others injured in separate clashes in the Kurdish region of Wan in Turkey.
But if true, giving the Iranians something ELSE to worrry about is EXACTLY the step that is needed. So perhaps the Kurds had some encouraging words wispered in their ear.....
چی فکر میکنی؟
Granted but Turkey needs to sit back and be quiet. They were not exactly helpful in our entry into Iraq.
And hopefully the PKK will kill many more.
US warns Turkey against Iraq incursion, Erdogan decries 'double standards'
The United States has warned Turkey that a cross-border operation against Kurdish rebel bases in northern Iraq would be "unwise,"
"We have repeatedly said that we believe that unilateral military action across the border with Iraq would be unwise," the US amabassador to Turkey, Ross Wilson, said in an interview with the NTV news channel.
He was speaking after Ankara on Monday urged Washington and Baghdad to act against the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), whose militants have enjoyed safe haven in the mountains of northern Iraq, signalling that it is ready to take cross-border action if they fail to do so.
You ASSUME that turkey is really involved.
It may be that they were, or it may be Iraqi
Kurd. Or it may not be Kurds at all.
Or it might be that Turkey sees what is happening
to Lebanon when the iranian proxy independent armies
gain power, and have found a way to use their "Problem Kurds"
to to their advantage.
Things may not be what the seem...
Just put rifles in their hands and send them to Iraq. Dead Men Walking.
>Turkey has said that they would come into Iraq after the PKK. We said no.
This story concerns IRAN, not Iraq.
You are confusing me....
Iran and Turkey are coordinating to attack PKK positions in Iraq. PKK leader injured in Iranian strike, report says
"Kurdistan Television also said that 10 Turkish soldiers were killed and fifteen others injured in separate clashes in the Kurdish region of Wan in Turkey."
This plainly states that in separate clashes in the Kurdish region there were 10 Turkish soldiers killed and fifteen others injured.
Now I suppose you can say that I "assumed" something, but until I have other evidence why should I consider one part a fact and the other an assumption?
I'm saying the whole area is a mess. Turkey is messing with PKK in Iraq and PKK is messing with Iran. Of course PKK is sneaking into Turkey and attacking too. There is a LOT going on.
Iran in Iraq: How Much Influence?: Muqtada al-Sadr's uprising in April 2004 heightened fears that Iran might be backing anti-coalition violence. Iran also has been accused of facilitating the movement of groups such as Ansar al-Islam, and of being responsible for the assassination of Iraqi security officials. More recently, the triumph in the January 2005 elections for Iraq's transitional national assembly of the Shiite-based United Iraqi Alliance (UIA) and, in particular, of three parties within it with long-standing ties to the Iranian regime -- the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), Al-Da'wa and Al-Da'wa - Tanzim al-Iraq -- appeared to vindicate the views of those who suspect an Iranian effort to install a loyal, theocratic government.
Damn, wouldn't that be nice!! Its what we should have been doing for the past 5 years.
If Bush had gotten the Clinton holdovers in State out of the way early on, and Tennent out of the CIA....the world may have had a different face by now.
Never too late to start....but way way past time!!! Five years past time!
5 killed? I call that a good start.
Are you kidding? The US hasn't been wispering... America has been shouting in their face from 2003.
I'm thinking that without US presence, you'd see Iran invade Iraq, Turkey sweep in from the Northwest, and they'd look to wipe out the Iraqis and take over the oil fields. UAE would get plenty nervous, as would Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Iran would use Syria to go after Israel, but would be occupied in Iraq, and Israel would clean up all the way to Turkey. The Palestinians would create some trouble, and Israel wouldn't feel like messing with them, so air bombing them to submission, then retaking the land. Iraq puts up a good fight, but the Kurds, catching it from both ends, get the worst of it. Other Iraqi tribes fight the Iranians collectively, but have a tough time of it. Opposition in Iran starts a civil war there.
Pakistan might make a move towards Iran, if they think they're weak enough. Afghanistan can't export anything but heroin. It all shakes down with reorganized borders and several new strong men, each swearing to wipe Israel from the face of the map.
Clearly they all need to upgrade their OS. According to some who study Iranian history you may have missed Khomeini's major premise. By some accounts he intended to emulate Israel's religious cohesion with Islam in order to organize for war against perceived threats to the source of his power, Islam. His was circular logic to be sure. Ultimately the best threat to maintain the logical ring would become Israel. However, almost by happenstance Iran cleansed itself of opposition by waging war on its neighbor, Iraq. The fact is Khomeini needed a war after the revolution to consolidate his power.
His authority was challenged almost immediately by the muscle behind the Iranian Revolution. Within two weeks of its occurrence, Khomeini’s leadership was questioned. Think about it. Before Iranian fascism, the best the region could produce was the widely respected and adored, Abdul Nassir.
What the ME needs, and the ground is ripe for, is an emulation of the social, political and diplomatic success of the greater Jewish community around the world. To support healthy social behavior among ME leadership would recognize the fact that Israel's military capability is only a symptom of sustained social liberty [and only necessary when the liberty of democratic citizens are threatened]. Khomeini was only fixated on emulating Israel's military successes when he hijacked Islam. In order to do so, Khomeini fomented fascist hate that permeates the region today.
Machiavelli suggested the power of a state could be measured by its subject’s willingness to die for the state. He was right for his time but wrong for ours. Under a democracy, the power of a state is established by its citizen’s willingness to live, fight and argue for liberty. IMO The only purpose of a state is to remain organized in order to protect liberty!
" People are first of their tribe, and then only marginally a member of the country."
sort of like all the hyphenated people in America?
Afro-American; Mexican-American;, etc;, etc
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