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Judge accused of insulting Islam in turban ruling
mtstandard ^ | 07/22/2006

Posted on 07/26/2006 5:18:42 PM PDT by dennisw

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Malaysia’s opposition Islamic party has accused a top judge of insulting Islam by ruling that a Muslim boy need not wear a turban — as the Prophet Muhammad did — to prove his faith. The case began when three Muslim boys sued the government because their state school expelled them for refusing to remove their turbans. The boys lost their case, and appealed — but a Federal Court dismissed the appeal.

Judge Abdul Hamid Mohamed said in the ruling last week that it isn’t necessary for Muslims to do exactly as the Prophet Muhammad did.

‘‘Islam is not about turbans and beards. The pagan Arabs wore turbans and kept beards. It was quite natural for the Prophet, born into the community, to do the same,’’ the judge said.

Even in Malaysia, very few religious clerics and hardly any Shariah Court judges wear a turban, he said, adding that the Prophet also rode a camel but ‘‘does that make riding a camel a more pious deed than traveling in an airplane?’’ The Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party, or PAS, said the judge should have been more restrained in his comments since he is not an expert on Islam.

‘‘Parts of what he said insults and belittles Islamic teachings,’’ PAS youth chief Salahuddin Ayub said. ‘‘We want the Federal Court judgment to be reviewed. According to our religious teaching, wearing a turban is part of the Islamic way of life.’’

Malaysia’s civil and criminal codes are based on secular laws, but its Muslim majority also must adhere to a separate set of Islamic laws covering issues such as inheritance, births and deaths, marriage and divorce.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: malaysia; pas; sharia; shariah; shariahlaw; umno
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1 posted on 07/26/2006 5:18:42 PM PDT by dennisw
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Judge Abdul Hamid Mohamed said in the ruling last week that it isn’t necessary for Muslims to do exactly as the Prophet Muhammad did.

This will light em up

2 posted on 07/26/2006 5:24:22 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Middle East Interactive Map: http://interneticsonline.com.dish5009.net.ibizdns.com/MEMap.html)
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To: dennisw
Sometimes it's hard to tell who is worse in Malaysia... PAS, or UMNO. Both use islam and fear to hold onto power.

As for the country as a whole, they have been heading down the path to Arabization ever since independence and the koranimal courts answer to no one. I wouldn't be surprised to see them all replace their traditional songkok (the headgear that is used by more pious muslim males there) with turbans in the not too distant future. The shiite minority there already wear them.

So much for islam hidari.

3 posted on 07/26/2006 5:30:51 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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Judge accused of insulting Islam in turban ruling

And the point is ?


4 posted on 07/26/2006 5:35:59 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ( have long feared that my sins would return to visit me and the cost would be more than I could bear)
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To: dennisw

Islam is an insult to all decent human beings.


5 posted on 07/26/2006 5:37:21 PM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: dennisw
Judge Abdul Hamid Mohamed said in the ruling last week that it isn’t necessary for Muslims to do exactly as the Prophet Muhammad did.

The Judge is a dead man.He has just blasphemed the (so called) prophet.

6 posted on 07/26/2006 5:41:22 PM PDT by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: tkathy

Action of a few billions don't make it a bad religion.


7 posted on 07/26/2006 5:41:43 PM PDT by sagar
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To: USF
Islam is burdened with (among many other things too numerous to count) a strong streak of idolotry.

Still, I'm a bit surprised that even turbans must be worshipped and revered as holy objects in Malaysia.

8 posted on 07/26/2006 5:55:24 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: sagar

"Action of a few billions don't make it a bad religion."

R O T F L M A O


9 posted on 07/26/2006 6:05:33 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Taglines for sale or rent. Good "one liners", 50 cents.)
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To: dennisw

So the judge is in trouble because he insulted an article of clothing. My response to the insulted islamics is the same as to the hypersensitive PC liberals here: Get a life.


10 posted on 07/26/2006 6:09:55 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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This is the kind of thing that drives muslims to riot. They're even bigger whiners than the liberals. Now that's a hell of a feat!


11 posted on 07/26/2006 6:11:38 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
This is the kind of thing that drives muslims to riot.

Only when they go into "TURBO BOOST"!

You give the turban a yank, and it spins them up.

As the worthy Judge will learn...hahaha.

12 posted on 07/26/2006 6:22:49 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: dennisw

is-lame IS the insult!


13 posted on 07/26/2006 6:35:11 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl! *-0(:~{>)
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To: dennisw

I suspect we will read the obit for Judge Abdul Hamid Mohamed soon.


14 posted on 07/26/2006 6:40:07 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Gorzaloon

The islamics are straight-up schizo. They'll talk about how proud and upstanding they are, then in the next breath they're moaning about how they're endlessly humiliated and victimized.


15 posted on 07/26/2006 6:42:58 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: muawiyah
This incident happened in the Malaysina state of Negri Sembilan, which is one of the more backward states full of Bumiputras (muslims), where islamic religious indoctrination, practices and maddrasses are common.

The kids concerned were indoctrinated at islamic classes, and are "hafez-e-Quran: ie, they can recite the entire Quran from memory.

The malaysian state schools are extremely anal about their uniform dress codes... songkoks can pass, but I suspect these are PAS inspired agitators trying to make a point about UMNO (the ruling party, and their secular courts and judicial system inherited from the Brits) not being "islamic enough."

There is constant tension between the two opposing parties, and the area is in the zone where reversion to "true islam" is playing out. Its close to the states of Kelentan and Trengannu, where all out sharia was imposed on the population by PAS, to the dismay of bumiputras (muslim malay) and non-Muslim Chinese and Indians alike.

16 posted on 07/26/2006 6:47:23 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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Still, are these nutballs aware that they are now into Turban Worship?

What will it be next? A reversion to fullscale cannibalism ~ such as was practiced by their ancestors until Admiral He came in with a gazillion Chinese to teach them some manners?

17 posted on 07/26/2006 6:51:10 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: muawiyah
LOL... I really dont think they see how they are used as pawns in a much bigger political battle.

The end result is not going to be pretty for either PAS, UMNO, or the people of malaysia. This stupidity has really gone far enough, but like most of the islamic world, the so called moderates have a hard time standing up to the koran thumping imams.

The people with power (ie Muslim Bumiputras), knowing little better, side with the latter... and those who would stop them (malaysia sizable ethnic Chinese community) have been stripped of power as second class dhimmi citizens, and are threatened with another "May 13" style incident (ie, massacre by muslims) everytime they dare flex their political muscles in elections...

18 posted on 07/26/2006 7:03:52 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: dennisw

I wipe my a$$ with the Koran. How's that for insulting?


19 posted on 07/26/2006 7:07:51 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Lancer_N3502A

Most of them are not really printed on the right sort of paper. You sure you want to do that?


20 posted on 07/26/2006 7:10:45 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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