Dump Condi: Foreign policy conservatives charge State Dept. has hijacked Bush agenda

Insight Magazine ^ | July 26th | Daniel

[red meat conservative]

Conservative national security allies of President Bush are in revolt against Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, saying that she is incompetent and has reversed the administration’s national security and foreign policy agenda.

The conservatives, who include Newt Gingrich, Richard Perle and leading current and former members of the Pentagon and National Security Council, have urged the president to transfer Miss Rice out of the State Department and to an advisory role. They said Miss Rice, stemming from her lack of understanding of the Middle East, has misled the president on Iran and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

"The president has yet to understand that people make policy and not the other way around," a senior national security policy analyst said. "Unlike [former Secretary of State Colin] Powell, Condi is loyal to the president. She is just incompetent on most foreign policy issues."

[pollyannaish]

Comparing her to Albright??

LOL. Nice try. Go pedal this kind of nonsense somewhere else.

And for what it's worth, I think Bolton is the perfect man for the job. In fact, the two of them are a brilliant team, with different roles.

[pollyannaish]

Newt, while we owe him a gratitude, is now as relevant as Bill Clinton.

I agree. The sand needs pounding.

[ejonesie22]

Seconded...

[Sabramerican]

One example.

If Hamas had not won its election, they wouldn't have kidnapped the Israeli. If they had not won the election and kidnapped the Israel, Hezbolla would not have shown solidarity with a similar act leading to the current WAR.

Rice insisted Hamas be allowed to run.

Two.

North Korea is shooting missiles to get the same capitulation from the US that Iran received due to Rice's advice.

On the other hand, when next to most diplomats- she looks fabulous.

[prairiebreeze]

What amuses me most about these threads are the sudden appearances of little known screennames all doing their best to stir up stink.

She is probably the smartest person to lead State in a long time. She is tougher than she appears at first glance on camera, remember when they tried to roll her during her confirmation hearings, and during the 911 commission. She is usually the smartest person in the room, whatever room she is in. And quite possibly the toughest.

I suspect we are looking at our next president.

You've said it so well, that now I don't have to.

[sinkspur]

Rice insisted Hamas be allowed to run.

How do you have democratic elections when you preclude one party from running?

Your examples are unconvincing.

[prairiebreeze]

Clinton took steps at the very end of his disastrous eight years to ensure that couldn't happen. I'm sure President Bush would have liked nothing better if he'd been able to start with a clean slate.

You are correct. Both counts.

[Sabramerican]

Read these two items to be there at the start of another monumental screw up by Rice.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1672918/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1672916/posts

[pollyannaish]

of little known screennames all doing their best to stir up stink

Been happening a lot lately. All around the fringes.

[Sabramerican]

When one party are terrorists? You're kidding right?

Is al Qaeda allowed to run in Afghanistan?

[Sam Ketcham]

Keep Condi, dump Bush. He is responsible if things are not what he wanted, and he is the one to change things, therefor if something is awry, dump Bush and get Condi a better adviser. IMHO people don't like the idea that a lot of America would back a Black Female for President. I would.

As far as Newt goes I understand he has sold out on the latest immigration "compromise" as if Americans are all stupid.

[sinkspur]

When one party are terrorists? You're kidding right?

As I recall, Ariel Sharon signed off on Hamas running as well. And, when I was in Israel in March, the thinking of several Israelis I talked to was that the election of Hamas provided the perfect rationale to build the wall.

[pollyannaish]

Ok, so I don't really want to be drawn into this argument, but I will.

If you believe in democracy, you have to let things become transparent. Hamas and Hezbolla had an opportunity to be legitimate. They were allowed to be part of a legitimate, non-violent poltical system. That is what they have always asked for. They got it. Therefore, they could no longer claim that outside forces were taking away their power. They could not claim victimhood.

And what did they do? The mucked it up for everyone to see. There has been less sympathy for those two organizations than I have EVER seen in any conflict. They very obviously tried to take the "victim" role after they were given every opportunity. They tried to blame it on Israel. But frankly, it's knocked the entire UN for a loop. Supporters of terrorist organizations are scrambling to come up with a message. They don't know what to do. Confusion is running rampant and they are trying to be "fair." But it's hard to do.

This administration has clearly outed Hamas and Hezbollah for what and who they are. That is the only way REAL changes can be made.

The Israelis will take care of the on the ground military issues. But the world can no longer claim blindness.

[Sabramerican]

Exactly the point.

Israel was adamantly against Hamas being allowed to run.

Rice forced it on Israel.

Rice also forced a lax border control for Gaza.

Read the two articles I linked.

Rice is about to use a piece of land held by Israel as a reward for terror. Peace in our time redux.

Make this War - no matter a battlefield victory- a huge win for the enemy.

[Pukin Dog]

When people spew who dont know what they are talking about, it is also usually true that they dont know what they dont know. These people get their views from prevailing media wisdom, which usually passes for what was the most popular comment at one of their cocktail parties. Condi scares the crap out of many of those nuts, and she also scares many on our side, because with one word, every other candidate for President in O8 will need to find something else to do. My money is on Romney, with Condi as VEEP, but if she changes her mind and runs for President, there is NO ONE on either side who can beat her.

[sinkspur]

No. Sharon agreed with allowing Hamas to run.

You need to get your facts straight.

You're wrong about Rice; she is merely carrying out the policies that the Bush administration sanctions. She's not a free-lancer.

[Sabramerican]

Read the links in #148

Understand that Rice's agenda is capitulating to terror and voided the defeat of the enemy.

She is a disaster.

[capt. norm]

of little known screennames all doing their best to stir up stink

Don't think that the liberal "seminar posters" haven't learned how to play our game, so to speak. Of course they are here....we'd have to be as dumb as they are not to be aware of it. Troll hunting is one of my favorite FR sports.

But eventually they let their true feelings leak out in a post or two and they start to "glow in the dark" on our night-vision scopes.

Some of them submerge and aren't heard from until they get further seminar training. The rest have too much ego to be able to avoid destroying their own credibility.

They sure are fun to watch when they self-destruct....and even more fun when they don't realize it's happening.

I really do object to "Red Meat Conservative" signing up in the last 20 days and using this forum to advertise his website. I think that sort of thing would/should be against the rules. If he was trying to be subtle....oops...didn't work.

[Krodg]

LOL red meat conservative; you've been a Freeper for 20 whole days and you're the brain child of the Conservative Cause.

Notice he obtained his objective... post for a couple of weeks, disrupt the board and then sit back and watch the fun.

[capt. norm]

There are people who understand what the give & take of diplomacy is all about......and then we have you.