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Court considers diplomas for 20,000 students [Exit Exams Examined]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 7/25/6 | Jill Tucker

Posted on 07/25/2006 3:35:03 PM PDT by SmithL

The California Court of Appeals is deciding whether to give diplomas -- at least for now -- to more than 20,000 students who would have graduated high school had they passed the state exit exam.

Three appellate judges heard oral arguments in the so-called Valenzuela case today, giving lawyers nearly 90 minutes to argue whether those 20,000 students who fulfilled all other graduation requirements should graduate or continue to be denied a diploma. This year was the first year that the exam was a graduation requirement.

Today's hearing was the latest in a 5-month case that has traveled up and down the judicial system as the courts addressed whether to freeze the exit-exam requirement until the case is decided. An Alameda County Superior Court judge granted that injunction in early May, but that decision was soon after stayed by the California Court of Appeals and the state Supreme Court until the appellate justices could consider the pros and cons of an injunction more fully.

. . . The lawsuit argues that not all had equal learning opportunities, but the judges still questioned whether unprepared students should get a diploma.

"All you're doing is sending them out into the world with a piece of paper, but not an education,'' he said, adding the state constitutional right is for an education, not a diploma.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: education; exitexams
the state constitutional right is for an education, not a diploma

BINGO!

1 posted on 07/25/2006 3:35:06 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

20,000 birdcage liners. That's about the only value
these diplomas will have.

Oh well, the world needs ditchdiggers and burger flippers too.


2 posted on 07/25/2006 3:40:30 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: SmithL

The kids have been schooled, they have not been educated. Doesn't matter to mama guv'mint - just go ahead and celebrate failure and the power of the judge!


3 posted on 07/25/2006 3:41:29 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: SmithL

The 20,000 did not complete the requirements, but the demand is that they be given diplomas anyway.

I suspect that all through their "education," these students have failed but have been passed on to the next level. Their education is probably next to worthless.

I like the suggestion that all kids in California simply be given diplomas at birth. It would save much expense, and would give the youngsters more free time.


4 posted on 07/25/2006 3:56:59 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: SmithL

Give everyone in CA a roll of toilet paper with h.s. diploma printed on each sheet. That way, everyone can have theirs with no fuss, no effort, and they'll know exactly what it's WORTH.


5 posted on 07/25/2006 4:01:15 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: Trust Nancy Pelosi to Win the War on Terror!! (gag))
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To: docbnj; ElkGroveDan
I like the suggestion that all kids in California simply be given diplomas at birth. It would save much expense, and would give the youngsters more free time.

Now, that is just an ignorant response. I see you are another California basher.

6 posted on 07/25/2006 4:04:51 PM PDT by jerri
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To: SmithL

Q. Do you speak EnglisH?

A. Que?

Congratulations!


7 posted on 07/25/2006 4:06:22 PM PDT by toddlintown
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To: jerri

Come on its kinda funny, no matter what state it wa said about...


8 posted on 07/25/2006 4:09:51 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

LOL -- I'm laughing, it was funny!


9 posted on 07/25/2006 4:11:02 PM PDT by StayoutdaBushesWay
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To: jerri; docbnj
I like the suggestion that all kids in California simply be given diplomas at birth. It would save much expense, and would give the youngsters more free time.

Someone from New Jersey is criticizing California? That's rich.

10 posted on 07/25/2006 4:12:30 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Hey, here's a great idea. Give them all diplomas then fast track them into college while kids who work hard and get their diplomas are tossed to the side.

Affirmative Action Now!!!! Where's Jesse when you need him? Jesse Jesse Jessee!!!!

Sheesh.


11 posted on 07/25/2006 4:12:34 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: SmithL
"deciding whether to give diplomas -- at least for now -- to more than 20,000 students"

If they get them now it is over. So an employer use to be able to hire someone with a H.S. Diploma and think the kid would be able to write and do some math. Not any more. That is just asking to much of kids to expect them to go to school and learn. The NEA hates the test because it forces the lazy teachers to actually work. The good teachers I know don't seem to mind ex-exams.
12 posted on 07/25/2006 4:13:39 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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All you're doing is sending them out into the world with a piece of paper, but not an education,'' he said

Begging your pardon, Your Honor, but giving these kids diplomas will be an education -- for everyone.

13 posted on 07/25/2006 4:18:59 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: SmithL
I believe that this story ties into yesterday's story, Affirmative-Action Update: Where Are All the Black Students?

Of nearly 10,000 black students who graduated from Los Angeles County high schools this past June, just 1 percent will attend UCLA... This year, black enrollment at UCLA will be the lowest in more than three decades—a 57 percent decline since 1996.

Do you think college enrollment is down because High School graduates aren't qualified to attend?

-PJ

14 posted on 07/25/2006 4:29:18 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: SmithL
I've only been in Kookifornia a couple of times and never attended school there. Can I get a diploma anyway? I haven't met any of their graduation requirements, but why does that matter?
15 posted on 07/25/2006 4:41:11 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Loose lips sink ships - and the New York Times really doesn't have a problem with sinking ships.)
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To: SmithL

Here's one for you-

The US Dept. of Education is still witholding approval of several state's exit exams and end-of-course exams because they say they may be too easy.

All this brought to you by NCLB....

And yet in California - who is trying to implement the requirements now faces a judge who may very well undo the requirment to pass such exams.

Does anyone else see the problems that come when the government tries to run (in the ground?) education?

A simple comparison of public schools before the government (at all levels) decided they knew better how to run schools to today's schools will open the eyes!

And before someone tries to say I am just crying about integration - do a little more checking. Integration was just a door for the government, particularly the federal government, to come in.

Anyone read Frank Peretti? Many of his books at least touch on what I believe is the REAL reason our public schools have eroded into the immoral septic tanks they have become.


16 posted on 07/25/2006 4:54:01 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: docbnj

I still think that the kids that can't pass the exit exam should be given Certificates of Self Esteem.


17 posted on 07/25/2006 6:02:45 PM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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The lawsuit argues that not all had equal learning opportunities

HOW can you provide EQUAL opportunities? There are so many individual factors!

A good start would be for the kids to ATTEND EVERY DAY OF SCHOOL.

18 posted on 07/25/2006 6:11:51 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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