Posted on 07/25/2006 11:13:09 AM PDT by wagglebee
THE first men to walk on the Moon reported seeing a UFO, a new TV documentary reveals.
Astronaut Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon's surface after Neil Armstrong, says space agency bosses covered up their sighting.
And the Apollo 11 astronauts were also careful not to talk about it openly.
He said: "There was something out there, close enough to be observed, and what could it be?
"Now, obviously the three of us weren't going to blurt out, 'Hey, Houston, we've got something moving alongside of us and we don't know what it is, you know?
"Can you tell us what it is?'
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"We weren't about to do that, because we knew that that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and somebody might have demanded we turn back because of aliens or whatever the reason is."
The documentary, tonight on Five, also reveals that the astronauts had to repair the lunar module with a ballpoint pen after the historic landing in July 1969.
In the cramped conditions, someone's bulky spacesuit had snapped off a circuit breaker essential for starting up the engine.
To this day, Aldrin treasures the everyday object that saved their lives.
He said: "I used a pen, one of several that we had on board that didn't have metal on the end, and we used that to push the circuit breaker in."
The programme also draws on classified documents made public for the first time.
Your prescience and presence on FR are appreciated more than you know. Most FReepers don't post, just read. Re homesickness: I know it well...
Thanks for your yet again timely encouragement.
Pastor at lunch Tuesday was mystifyingly . . . oblique and clueless compared to usual. Was very discouraging.
Praise God for whatever Good. Certainly the lurkers deserve some reasonable presentation of our perspective.
You are a rich treasure to me and to FR and to The Kingdom, for sure.
Much thankful for you and all you do and stand for.
LUB,
BLPH,
Thanks. You and I will have some great conversations, walking by the Crystal Sea.
Yeah,
The 4,000
scientifically verified landing trace incidents are real hard to accept sufficiently to lay aside one's biases.
Entirely understandable.
It's a message from outer space, Gladys! Right here on our dinner table! Ohhhhhhh!
Oh, come on now! Can't you tell a message from outer space when you see one?
*BLORT!*
I sure look forward to that.
All:
Am going to try and type some excerpts from the C2CAM LINDA MOULTON HOWE
SHOW TONIGHT NOW ON REPLAY with a fellow who worked with a flight surgeon who was involved with the autopsies of ET's.
. . . Ronald . . .
Col (surgeon): "We need to talk . . . "
[was shaken to his core rattling his Roman Catholic beliefs)
Swore Ronald to secrecy
. . .
I was a flight surgeon in SAC . . . I'm a Dr but I was more an admin officer of Dr's under me.
. . . had to get to the base real soon . . . told the phone person that he'd get to the base in 2 hrs. A general got on the phone and gave him an order to be there in 45 min.
. . . vehicle waiting for him . . . told to follow it . . . was escorted on to the base . . . never happened before . . .
. . . said this happened in the late 1940's . . .
I realized one of the things he was trying to do was regain his faith . . .
. . . instead of to the admin area . . . went clear across the base to an area he'd never been in . . . was ushered into an area . . .
when he went inside, he was met by a General he had never met before.
He was ushered into a side room with the General . . . slid a piece of paper across the table . . . a form he'd never had to do with before . . . sign it . . .
Why did I have to sign this? Because you are about to enter into a certain level of security you've never heard before . . . then there was a threat given him . . . what you see here; what you hear here, you can never take off this base . . . you can never talk to anyone unless addressed by your superiors. . . .
. . . couldn't talk to anyone about it . . . could end up destroying his career, court martial . . . we then were immediately walking up this hall . . .
handed him a clipboard and handed him a mask
When he walked around a corner, there were 2 more Generals, one of whom he knew . . . he was in the presence of 3 command Generals--never happened before . . .
a window in a hall . . . . lights setup. He thought "a crash" . . .
a door opened, he was told to walk in . . . he just froze. He said, his whole world turned upside down.
. . . . break . . . on C2CAM more in next segment . . .
this flight surgeon is ordered by 3 Generals to observe the autopsy and take notes.
LINDA MOULTON HOWE: I have now, over 200 substantive emails from persons with firsthand or near first hand experiences . . . [since her appeal for such on C2C]
now, lets move on with the story.
He wasn't given any preperation for it . . . no one warned him . . . there were other Dr's in the room. From your scientific expertise, observe and take notes.
two medical doctors dressed up in garb; lights on this; motion picture and still photography; 5 other doctors along the wall; two tables side by side . . . two aliens (ET's)
He began to cry . . . his hands were shaking . . . I don't know why this happened to me.
One of these alien beings seemed perfectly undamaged . . . the other one had a big wound in it's leg. The other one had a look of horror in the face of it's death.
The stench was unbelievable . . . was overcome . . . wanted to vomit but knew he couldn't . . . wanted to run out . . . then remembered the directive that he was to write anything that came to his head . . . and started to take notes without looking at the paper . . .
he said they looked unreal . . . like dolls . . . they didn't have the appearance of being weathered . . . these creatures didn't have any signs of age.
wrinkles? Exactly . . . looked like big 4 foot dolls. They weren't powerful beings . . . just little creatures.
When they were looking at one of the eyes. . . . wasn't anything like a living creature's eyes. . . .looked like some kind of optical device . . . not like a living creatures's eyes . . . several layers . . . didn't look living, looked mechanical.
They didn't have any sex organs . . . no ways to expel waste . . . mouth doesn't look like a carnifore . . .
nothing like a human being . . . almsot like an insect . . .
didn't look like it ate solid fluids. But then there was no way to expel even liquid waste.
thoraxic area . . . nothing like a human beings . . . not as complex . . .
living organs but not what he'd thought of . . . things missing inside . . . obviously a living organism but how did they function
hands, for the size of the body were larger . . . longer fingers . . . pads on the finger tips.
I asked if they were intelligent . . . he said how could they not be. . . they are not from here but they are here.
They were naked and there was nothing else in the room that might belong to them.
horrible stench . . . they had a very pale complexion.
body, skin, covering . . . had a fabric like look to it. It was obviously their flesh, their body but it was nothing like he'd seen before . . . almost like they had a suit on but that the suit was their skin, too.
he felt the wrong people were there . . . why wasn't there anthropologists there?
LINDA: . . . at Okinawa Naval base . . . one year after this conversation between Ronnie and the flight surgeon . . . who described the black and white photographs stamped MAJIC
LINDA: one of the details was that the fingers were long and thin and had pads--a correlation . . . also that the skin was wrinkled like cloth wrinkled but that they were nude.
he's seeing skin that's not organic and seeing eyes that aren't organic. . . . now we have a word for this--androids . . .
Linda: THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL by P Corso pp 45-46:
. . . accompanied a 2 piece set of elliptical eye pieces . . . they adhered to the lenses of the ET's eyes . . . intensified light in darkness . . . tried to peer through them in the darkness . . . the figures were illuminated in a greenish orange depending on how they moved . . . could also see the outline of furniture [in the dark] looking at the world in infrared.
Linda: What I'm beginning to see as an investigative reporter . . . the more pieces. . . . piece after piece . . . coming together like a big puzzle. . . .
Linda: I know that the cover up goes back to the Roosevelt Admin. I know that the Hoover Admin had the policy to shoot such out of the sky . . .
We had the German scientists in project paper clip . . . we were launching the rockets . . . captured on film, would appear instantaneously next to a rocket--didn't appear to come anywhere--just appeared instantly next to the rocket seemingly from nowhere. The V-2 rockets would then veer off course and crash.
There was retaliation from the ET's taking down our electronic grid; power; military craft . . .
We lost planes and pilots . . . disappeared out of the sky when these craft were around . . . they didn't just melt in fire--they just instantly disappeared. . . . 1952 . . . an earlier report in 1947 . . . FDR . . . George Marshal who was head of the INTERPLANETARY UNIT . . .
Linda: When we fired our artilery in the battle of Los Angeles . . . shooting at the craft . . . how many bodies and craft did we have before 1947?
This flight surgeon had no concept of a [living] kind of android . . . were not technically fully biological . . . that fact alone must have been astonishing to the President, the military scientists . . .
Want to talk about who those surgeons might have been . . .
Sound so much like the descriptions of Shepherd [Okinawa].
ET BIOLOGICAL ENTITIES RETRIEVAL AND RECOVERY manual
Will share more info from leaked docs that will show our government has had much more info for over 50 years.
. . . Will try and get more notes if I can in next segment.
Noory mentiones more corroboration from another outside source.
Note, Ronald did not contact Linda until he was confident the surgeon involved was now dead.
Dang......and I've always stuck with hot coffee, followed by mouthwash.
Who knew......
Mmmm, Mustang.
Additional transcript notes from listening to C2CAM tonight's replay 2nd time tonight ATT:
Next segment
LINDA MOULTON HOWE:
Ronald Z . . .
has been very straightforward in all his communications with me . . . like others . . . he has to worry about his life and business being jeapordized. But he feels strongly that it's way past time for this information to come out . . .
LINDA: If the people who have first hand knowledge would just step up to the plate . . .
A Col flight surgeon--the manager of the flight surgeon's company . . . period occurred Christmas time 1975 on for about a month was when the conversations took place . . .
Dayton Ohio . . . where flight surgeon retired.
to make any notes of anything that came to his mind . . . he walked through a door and his world turned upside down . . .
. . . something may have been described in a July 22 1947 INTERPLANITARY PHENOMENON UNIT summary . . . leaked to . . .
[MISSED website it's available on]
. . . that might be the two surgeons the flight surgeon was observing . . .
about bodies recovered from White Sands at the Trinity site . . . Dr . . . was asked to assist . . . done by Maj Charles Grey . . .
photos taken by intel photographers . . .
they have a slight build, about 5' tall, . . . clothed in a tight fitting flight suit that appears to be fire proof.
it is believed that there were male and female genders present but that was hard to distinguish . . . no sexual organs . . . 4' tall compared to dolls because they were so perfect looking . . . and the issue of the tight fitting flight suit . . .
what the flight surgeon described as inorganic 'skin.'
This may be the same autopsy . . . [described from different sources]
. . . told Ronald . . . at one point perhaps overcome by the horrible stench, that the 2 docs doing the autopsies . . . asked to take a break . . . the flight surgeon could no longer hold back . . . he vomited . . .
they took me up the hall . . . wasn't taken back as they realized he was so shaken up he might be the wrong person to be involved.
I was just a basic doctor. Why me? then they threatened me that I could be court martialed if I ever told anyone . . . that I could be in prison for the rest of my life . . .
he's been locked in this nightmare . . .
Linda: You are talking to me about all this now why?
Ronald: I'm a man of my word . . . every time I would see a movie . . . I relived . . . I never thought about telling anyone because I gave my word.
Besides, I'd be considered crazy . . .
But over the course of time, I began to see things on TV and quite frankly, you [Linda M Howe] I began to see pieces of a puzzle . . . so complex . . .
I know one little piece of the puzzle but it's one little piece that ought to come forward . . .
I used to get angry--why dont' these people come forward. Then one day it dawned on me that I knew something and I haven't come forward.
Then one day, I've been to your web page before . . . I decided to look it over and how to contact you. I swallowed hard and I didn't do it. Then I went back and entered the message.
R: These bodies, they came from somewhere. There were people who handled them. They were transported across the country . . .
R: This shattered his life . . . he was afraid because of the threats they made against him . . . how could they intimidate such a strong assertive fine individual . . . what would they do to lesser people . . .
Yes, he'd never told anyone . . . he said, these people mean business . . . this isn't like the regular military. When they threaten you, they mean it. I was threatened in such a way, that if I did tell my life . . . that I might end up in a room some place or dead.
Linda: Did he talk to you about the shadow group having facilities?
R: No.
R: Do you think this is the only event like this that happened? . . . he shook his head, no. "I don't believe that. I think we have a lot more things than this. We got these bodies . . . don't you think we have debris? . . . it's got to be huge."
L: After that year 1975 . . . this Col flight surgeon cried and shook in front of this man who worked for him and whom he'd come to treat like a son . . .
L Ronald had met someone else who worked at Wright Patterson . . . told Ronald of someone who was on security supervisor and saw only high level brass come and go from that building. Even the security supervisor could not go in. "This conversation never happened."
R: THere was something chilling about that brief vague conversation.
L: I received a brief email . . . from someone who says . . . a graduate from the Univ of Dayton . . . something her boy friend told her in 1960's he got from his father who worked at WRight Patterson . . . about WRight Patterson having 3 alien bodies held in a freezer. That just came in tonight.
Would like to compare what some of the leaked docs [she has] say about comparisons of various ET'S
L: The last 5-6 months has been a continuous evolution of leaked docs . . .
George: R sounds very sure of himself etc.
L: I kind of have a flypaper mind and he does. You can recall in great detail some things that impress you as important.
[break]
. . . . a policy of denial in the interest of "National Security" . . . why is the lie so entrenched . . .
part of his insight came from the Col.
R: I think they're going to want to give an excuse about why they didn't come forward . . . they didn't want to upset society, religious systems . . . they're going to come up with stories to cover their you know what . . . a lot of people are going to ask . . . who do you think you are! ?
R: It's got to be about one word: POWER. Craft coming here . . . from another world . . . what can they do with such powers in this world . . . enormous POWER. What are you doing with that enormous power? How are you applying it?
R: That means you have the energy thing licked. We don't have to pollute our world . . . they're controlling it and making financial gain from it.
L: What do you predict . . .
R: As long as they can withhold the real relationships . . . you don't know what goes on behind closed doors . . . they're only doing to want us to see the facade . . . they're not going to let you get inside that building . . . they're not going to even want you to know about the rooms, much less what goes on inside the rooms . . . when the release comes . . . it will be very controlled, very carefully crafted . . .
L: animal mutilations, human abductions . . . presence of technologies that could solve the energy problem . . .
how are they doing to handle these hard pieces of physical evidence?
R: They're not. Let's say you're the mafia . . . too many pieces of your structure are coming out . . . you'll help expose yourself and kind of lie about it so they don't really get the truth.
R: That's basic human nature . . . if you can tell part of the story and withhold the most damning info . . . that's what you do. . . .
R: I don't think they're going to own up to that . . .
R: there's another word that goes hand in hand with agenda . . . need . . . they need to be doing it . . . if they are this smart . . . and they have been coming here this long . . . they have a need of some kind. They have a need--why do they need to be on our planet . . . working with our animals, abducting human beings . . .
G: He sounds frustrated, too Linda.
L. Yes. . . .sperm, ova, tissue, fluid is being taken from earth life . . . being used for something . . .
L: . . . he very detailed described the android part machine, part biological . . . controllers of the android . . . the androids are those who have mostly interfaced with humans in the abductions . . . the controllers are the ones who most overwhelm human's minds. . . .
L: This flight surgeon was describing a body that was part mechanical, part biological.
L: They caught onto the fact that they were dealing with worker bees.
. . . one of the most important leaked docs
101 TRAINING MANUAL by the Majestic 12 group. . .
32 pages of text and drawings . . . 35mm B & W film . . . mailed to Don . . . at the fund for UFO research . . .
PhD aerospace engineer--agreed he would take the negatives and blow them up and start the painstaking analysis of the words . . . including the hand of the person photographing the pages . . . in GLIMPSES OF OTHER REALITIES . . .
MAJESTICREALITIES.COM
No one anywhere has ever been able to disproove the . . . 101 TRAINING MANUAL is a legitimate document . . . War Dept logo . . .
On one of the pages p 6 . . .there's a paragraph Descriptions of EBES . . .
examnation of remains of UFOBs . . . biological entities . . . two distinct categories . . .
I These entities are humanoid and might be mistaken for an oriental race . . . taller than the flight surgeon was watching . . . proportionally they are similar to humans although the cranium appears larger . . . chalky, whiter . . . slightly pebbled . . . bumps . . . on their skin. . . reminded me of a lizard . . . or reminded me of a reptile . . .
L: It goes on . . . these taller types, the eyes are small, not large . . . black irises . . . ears small set low in the skull; nose thin and small; small mouth; no facial hear; little body hair; body thin without evident fat; muscles well developed . . . long digits; no opposible thumb . . . no webbing . . . feet are somewhat flayed and proportionally large
EBEN II . . . humanoid . . . but different, bipedal, 3.5-4'
25-50 lbs. . . head much larger than humans or type I . . . like the flight surgeon observed . . . eyes very large, slanted, wrap around; black with no white showing; . . . they saw eyes that they thought were optical devices. They're not organic.
Remember Col Corso who had first hand knowledge of those lenses allowing the entities to see the world in infrared.
L: He goes on into the little ones . . . long arms . . 3 long tapering fingers; a thumb nearly as long as the fingers . . . pads on the end of those finger tips. . .
like the little frogs with the suction cups on the ends fo their fingers. Are we dealing with 3-4 different types of androids? . . .
. . . . they may have originated on 2 different planets.
end. . . next segment is questions.
F'n A, they saw something. They were the first humans to set foot on something that wasn't Earth. If they didn't see anything, the whole mission would have been a colossal waste of time and money.
It's not thread-hijacking to mention that ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION DOOMED NASA, and it ALL STARTED WITH ELIAN GONZALES! If evolution was a FACT instead of just an unproven THEORY, Global Warming would be shown to be TRUE and then MILLIONS WOULD BE ABORTED in the mideast!!!!!
Columbus, Cortez and Balboa also found a lot of unidentified objects. Weird things like palm trees. When you push past the boundaries of what is known, what you find is unknown. Pretty much by definition.
Whoh, dude. You're talking about the most powerful machine Man has ever built. Make a bong out of that, and there isn't enough Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia ice cream and Cool Ranch Dorito's to keep up with the demand.
Um ... did you have a point? You've posted a lot of words without actually saying anything.
Some folks shouldn't be allowed to own a thesaurus.
Sorry, y'all. I responded before I read to the end of the thread, and before I realized that Quix is an apoplectic raving loon not worth the attention. Move along, folks. nothing to see here.
You expected more from a poster named after a kids cereal?
The cereal is Qix, so if that was his plan he carried it out badly. If he'd called himself Froot Loops, it would have maintained the cereal connection and added some truth in advertising.
Dude...............You seriously need to get back on the meds..........
Good Post.
I forgot to mention the Ritalin debate.
Damn.
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