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Clemson’s role as baseball host unfurls flag flap (More Confederate Flag)
Charlotte Observer ^ | July, 23, 2006 | Joseph Person

Posted on 07/25/2006 10:19:23 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

Unless lawmakers remove the Confederate flag from the State House grounds, the road to the College World Series could become longer for Clemson, South Carolina and the state’s other schools.

An NCAA subcommittee is re-examining the flag issue after the head of the Black Coaches Association questioned why Clemson hosted regional and super regional games before advancing to Omaha this past season.

In 2002 the NCAA implemented a two-year moratorium prohibiting schools in South Carolina from hosting any pre-assigned championships. A year later the NCAA extended the ban indefinitely.

Now BCA executive director Floyd Keith wants college athletics’ chief governing body to consider broadening the ban to keep all postseason contests out of the state.

“At least from our viewpoint, there should not be any postseason events awarded,” Keith said Friday during a telephone interview.

Robert Vowels, commissioner of the Southwestern Athletic Conference and chair of the NCAA’s Minority Opportunities and Interests Committee, said an eight-person subcommittee plans a teleconference in the coming months to discuss the issue. The group wants to review the original moratorium and the selection process for championship sites in sports such as baseball and tennis, in which the highest-seeded schools often are chosen as hosts.

“The main thing is understanding the selection process and just seeing what’s what,” Vowels said. “Once we can understand processes, then we can go from there.”

The NCAA maintains the same postseason ban in Mississippi, which incorporates the Confederate flag into its state flag.

Greenville’s Bi-Lo Center hosted first- and second-round games of the NCAA men’s basketball tournament in 2002 because the bid had been awarded before the ban took effect.

Since then, however, South Carolina has lost out on several NCAA-sanctioned events.

• A cross-country regional that Furman had hosted for 21 years was moved.

• The ACC pulled its baseball tournament out of Fort Mill in 2003.

• Officials with USC and the Bi-Lo Center were turned down after submitting bids to serve as first- and second-round sites for the NCAA men’s basketball tourney.

“March Madness is March Sadness in South Carolina because there will be no March Madness here. And the NAACP is in lockstep with it,” said Lonnie Randolph, the NAACP state president.

Lawmakers have not addressed the flag issue since 2000, when a legislative compromise moved the flag from atop the Capitol dome to a Confederate monument on the north side of the State House grounds. Beginning in 1999, the NAACP asked African-Americans to boycott South Carolina’s tourism industry, an effort Randolph said would continue until the flag comes down.

In the meantime, the only postseason games that have been staged in the state have been at the conference level. While aware of the NCAA’s moratorium, the SEC allows its schools from South Carolina and Mississippi to submit proposals to host the conference’s neutral-site championships.

The SEC held its 2005 women’s basketball tournament in Greenville after a scheduling conflict at Atlanta’s Philips Arena forced organizers to look for an alternative site. This past fall the SEC cross country championships were run at Fort Jackson.

However, despite attractive arenas in Greenville and Columbia, event organizers across the state have had their hands tied when it comes to trying to host games in the lucrative NCAA men’s basketball tournament.

Said Randolph: “(Basketball fans) don’t drop pennies in your community. They drop millions of dollars in your community.”

Vowels said his subcommittee would study the issue of extending the NCAA’s ban to include all postseason events and would make a recommendation to the NCAA’s executive committee by the end of the year.

Even if no changes are made, Keith, the BCA director, believes the ban has been effective in drawing attention to the flag.

“It’s certainly an issue of awareness that has been supported and embraced by the NCAA. That in itself is a positive step from our platform,” Keith said. “Is it completely eradicated or something we can say it’s done? No. The issue is still there.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: cbf; clemson; confederateflag; crossofsaintandrew; dixie; leftismoncampus; naacp; ncaa; saintandrewscross; wbts
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To: Toby06
understood.

free dixie,sw

281 posted on 07/30/2006 12:22:38 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
Take a couple every 4 hours and see the doc in the morning.


282 posted on 07/30/2006 12:46:31 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
once more, NOTHING you will ever do on FR will do as much for the forum as you LEAVING it FOREVER.

otoh, you'll be POPULAR on DU, as they like PREJUDICED, MEAN-spirited, "useful IDIOTS".

BE GONE!

free dixie,sw

283 posted on 07/30/2006 12:49:43 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
After those crazy comments you might require a longer doctor visit.

Free Yourself SW

284 posted on 07/30/2006 12:59:53 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
once more, BE GONE to DU! everyone here will APPLAUD your departure. especially the other unionists on FR.

i have had numerous private messages over the last few months, which told me that YOU do NOT represent their views, as they are NOT PREJUDICED, are NOT fools & particularly that they are EMBARRASSED by you're being a FReeper.

free dixie,sw

285 posted on 07/30/2006 1:12:31 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Such a divisive symbol as the reb flag has its place only on private property.

Your postings are liberal PC dreck.

286 posted on 07/30/2006 1:36:42 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
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To: M. Espinola
If you recall United States military installations were bombed by organized insurrectionists. Today we call that terrorism and counter the terrorists accordingly, as Lincoln did.

Ah, Mr BM Estupido. You might want to alert the US postal service that they keep honoring insurrectionists and terrorists on their stamps over the years (but they probably aren't as historically ignorant and PC as you are) Secondly, you shouldn't say "we" when you mean "I". -


287 posted on 07/30/2006 1:52:15 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
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To: Hacksaw

Your side lost the Civil War, please attempt to get over it. Use some of Stand's Excedrin since it's rather evident both of you suffer from the same lost cause phobias.


288 posted on 07/30/2006 2:16:06 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Hacksaw
Learn something from American history O' misguided one.

"Whereas, the Senate of the United States on the 25th day of July, 1861, adopted a resolution in the words following, to wit:

Resolved, That the present deplorable civil war has been forced upon the country by the disunionists of the Southern States now in revolt against the constitutional Government and in arms around the capitol; that in this national emergency Congress, banishing all feelings of mere passion or resentment, will recollect only its own duty to the whole country; that this war is not prosecuted upon our part in any spirit of oppression, nor for any purpose of conquest or subjugation, nor purpose of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those States; but to defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and all laws made in pursuance thereof and to preserve the Union, with all the dignity, equality, and rights of the several States unimpaired; that as soon as these objects are accomplished the war ought to cease; and

Whereas, these resolutions though not joint or concurrent in form, are substantially identical, and as such have hitherto been and yet are regarded as having expressed the sense of Congress upon the subject to which they relate; and

Whereas, the President of the United States by proclamation of the 13th of June, 1865, declared that the insurrection in the State of Tennessee had been suppressed, and that the authority of the United States therein was undisputed, and such United States officers as had been duly commissioned were in the undisturbed exercise of their official functions; and

Whereas, the President of the United States by further proclamation, issued on the 2nd day of April, 1866, did promulgate and declare that there no longer existed any armed resistance of misguided citizens or others to the authority of the United States in any or in all the States before mentioned, excepting only the State of Texas, and did further promulgate and declare that the laws could be sustained and enforced in the several States before mentioned, except Texas, by the proper civil authorities, State or Federal, and that the people of the said States, except Texas, are well and loyally disposed, and have conformed or will conform, in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment to the Constitution of the United States, prohibiting slavery within the jurisdiction of the United States;

And did further declare, in the same proclamation that it is the manifest determination of the American people that no State, of its own will, has a right or power to go out of, or separate itself from, or be separated from the American Union; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States;"

It appears there is still a need for Reconstruction.

289 posted on 07/30/2006 2:28:59 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Hacksaw
EXACTLY.

but are you surprised that a member in good-standing of the DAMNyankee coven believes NONSENSE???

free dixie,sw

290 posted on 07/30/2006 6:21:15 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: M. Espinola; Hacksaw; All
MORE stupidity from "Mr. SPIN" the LUNATIC, laughingstock & BIGOT!

free dixie,sw

291 posted on 07/30/2006 6:22:43 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: M. Espinola
in a few words, NOT that you'll UNDERSTAND them:

the TYRANTS & SANCTIMONIOUS HYPOCRYTES of DAMNyankeeland will always think of a self-righteous LIE to try to cover-up their FALSENESS.

free dixie,sw

292 posted on 07/30/2006 6:25:12 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: M. Espinola
lol AT you!

as most everyone else is. (except of course, the brighter members of the DY coven, who are just HUMILIATED that you're "on their team".)

free dixie,sw

293 posted on 07/30/2006 6:27:56 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
Clam up neo-confed crackpot - you're boring.
294 posted on 07/30/2006 11:41:27 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
your posts are an EMBARRASSMENT to FR & to "the DAMNyankee coven of lunatics, weirdos, fools".

when you are GONE from FR & are a celebrity on DU, the coven members will "breathe a sign of relief".

fwiw, i do NOT blame them fore being HUMILIATED, that you are "on their team". THANKFULLY, you are NOT "one of ours"!

free dixie,sw

295 posted on 07/31/2006 9:17:24 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
"EMBARRASSMENT"?

It's time you look in that old mirror - again.

296 posted on 07/31/2006 1:51:31 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
don't you get tired of being the BUTT of everyone's JOKES about STUPID nitwits????

face it, "mr SPIN", you are a common TARGET for RIDICULE & an EMBARRASSMENT to "the unionist forces" on FR.

free dixie,sw

297 posted on 07/31/2006 2:43:01 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
you should know you are posting a document filled with KNOWING LIES, put together (either ignorantly and/or INTENTIONALLY) by a KNOWN LIAR.

Hey STAND, since the CV is a collection of data gleaned from YOUR own posts everyone is well aware that its full of bullsh**. But that's YOUR problem isn't it?

298 posted on 07/31/2006 4:25:38 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck
actually, it is a "collection" of BILGE that he SAID (UNtruthfully!) that was "gleaned from" my posts. the MAJORITY is FALSELY attributed to me, as he just plain "made it up", to deceive LOSERS like YOU for example.

that is YOUR problem = being a DUMB-bunny, who is EASY to USE as a "useful idiot", just because you WANT to believe the worst of people, that you don't personally like.

laughing AT you, as most intelligent people here do.

free dixie,sw

299 posted on 07/31/2006 9:14:05 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: mac_truck
btw, the tendency to LOOK for & BELIEVE the WORST of people, whom you don't personally like, absent PROOF has a name.

it's called BIGOTRY and/or (ignorant) PREJUDICE.

pity that you fit that description to a TEE!

free dixie,sw

300 posted on 07/31/2006 9:17:44 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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