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Free at Last. Montenegro declares independence
THE WEEKLY STANDARD. ^ | 7/24/06 | Stephen Schwartz

Posted on 07/24/2006 6:44:49 AM PDT by Valin

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To: joan

what is his FR name? FR mail if you wish.


21 posted on 07/24/2006 10:58:02 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Valin

The Serbs are the "good guys" Clinton, as usual, got it wrong.

The Muslims should have all been sent back to Turkey where their ancestors came from or to which they ancestors has turned coat.


22 posted on 07/24/2006 11:00:26 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Valin is in complete denial of how many Orthodox Churches have been destroyed in the Balkans by Muslims. He doesn't ask himself why? Yet it's the Orthodox Church that is the problem.

His intent is clear because nobody who knows what has been going on there would look at it the way he does. When Montenegro separated the Muslims celebrated the most. Why? Because they want to make Kosovo a Muslims state and the separation of Montenegro establishes a precedent that the idiots in the UN and NATO just rubber stamp for Kosovo.

Also, another cause for Islamic celebration is to further the cause of Islamic conquest. Read Islamic quotes that contradict his points all day long. Read the Islamic Declaration written in 1956 by Izetbegovic. There you will find, what has become mostly true, what Islam has in store for Christianity in the Balkans.

Some people just spew the CNN line and I am sick of it.
23 posted on 07/24/2006 11:20:00 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: SQUID

"There you will find, what has become mostly true, what Islam has in store for Christianity in the Balkans."

What Islam has in store for the Balkans is what Islam has in store for the entire non-Islamic world - ALL Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, you name it.

All non-Muslims had better wise up, unite and crush this snake before it strangles all of us.


24 posted on 07/24/2006 11:40:17 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Sorry, but I seriously doubt that the West has the will to live. You've got to start with that.


25 posted on 07/24/2006 11:56:45 AM PDT by Agrarian
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To: Agrarian

What can we do?


26 posted on 07/24/2006 12:19:34 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Bokababe
Thanks, it appears that Yugoslavia's disastrous breakup continues, and may continue with Kosovo's independence. I credit a lot of what happened these past 16 years to the very poor leadership and lack of statesman in any of the new countries. It did not have to happen.
27 posted on 07/24/2006 12:33:22 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Valin; All

"Montenegro and Macedonia have bigger problems with Serbian Christians than with Albanian or other Muslims. "

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!

Montenegrin FSB financed goverment is busting their asses on Serbian media advertising vacations in montenegro, lowering their prices organising lottery and hole shtload of stuff to get back Serbians to vacate in Montenegro!

My neighbour went there lest summer, and he said that landlady from seaside Montenegro called hime five times to ask if he is omming tjis year, and if not, does he knows someone that will.

Their Tourist capacities are ruined cause Serbians are going to Greece, Bulgaria, Even turkey.
Except for Rossian mafia held hotels at seaside, that simpley collect mobney and transfer it to Russia, montenegro hawe downfall of 50% in tourist income.


28 posted on 07/24/2006 1:05:35 PM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org say NO to Al-Qaeda new sanctuary)
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To: Bokababe

I AM proud that Suleyman Ahmad got PO'd at me!! Other pro-Serbian Freepers should be proud as well, since he singled me out as an example of all of us.

Of course, he completely misunderstood the point of my screen name. As anyone who reads my posts on non-Balkan subjects knows, I am an American Lutheran who is a member of a Serbian-American community, and thus an honorary Serb. So my screen name has nothing to do with fascism, hate, or anything else negative--quite the opposite.

However, islamist propagandists spew lies that Serbs and anyone else who supports them are are "haters" and "war criminals", while trying to distract the public from jihadist atrocities!!!!


29 posted on 07/24/2006 1:59:18 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: A. Pole; Valin; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; ...
I find it regrettable that a Jewish writer (Stephen Schwartz) is more disposed towards various jihadists in the Blakans then towards Orthodox Serbs, given that Islamic jihadists are rocketting his (real or spiritual) homeland as we speak.

As for Montenegro, it is a parasitic and an outllaw country that has been living off of Serbia for too long. If anything they did Serbs a favor.

30 posted on 07/24/2006 2:07:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Honorary Serb
I AM proud that Suleyman Ahmad got PO'd at me!!

Good for you!

31 posted on 07/24/2006 2:08:31 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: ZULU

I think that it all has to start with those of us who do have a will to live recognizing that much of European/North American culture has no such will to live.

When we see people giving up around us, it is easy to give up ourselves. By keeping an "I will survive" attitude, either it will be infectious and catch on with those around us, becoming politically meaningful -- or it will mentally prepare us and our children for individual survival during the inevitable Muslim onslaught, whatever form it takes (probably immigration and cultural intimidation, as we see in Europe.)


32 posted on 07/24/2006 3:03:42 PM PDT by Agrarian
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

That is certainly part of the problem, George.

But, historically, if Serbs, Croats, and Muslims start killing each other, it is always been because someone outside of Yugoslavia is egging them on, exploiting whatever problems there are between them and exacerbating them. Wars have never ever been a spontaneous event in this part of the world. That isn't to say that the actual combatants aren't responsible, but they are being cheered on and manipulated for some endgame by someone else. What we are seeing today is not "an accident" -- it is the way it was supposed to work out.

Croatia and Slovenia would never have made a move without Germany's backing. Bosnia would never have made a move without the backing of a ME patron, notably Iran. Montengro also had Western backers, including Germany. And the Kosovo Albanians, besides the US, their backers are the Albanian mafia and the Saudis.

Everyone else was rehearsed and prepared for this break-up. The Serbs were not. There are no right moves for them, no right people to lead them. They have been left up the river without a life preserver or a paddle! God help them!


33 posted on 07/24/2006 3:57:54 PM PDT by Bokababe (www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

I visited Yugoslavia in 1990 for a vacation (not Slovenia and Croatia) it was one of the most beautiful places that I have ever seen. What a shame all those people had to die. Did Tito keep them all together through fear?


34 posted on 07/24/2006 6:43:46 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: kosta50

Schwartz is a Moslem convert.

He hates the Serbs for daring to resist the mad moon-rock cult that he has cowered to.


35 posted on 07/24/2006 7:02:03 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: FormerLib
Schwartz is a Moslem convert

A Jew who converted to Islam? Okay, I have heard deerything now.

36 posted on 07/24/2006 7:40:43 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

"Did Tito keep them all together through fear?"

Yes, and with backing of the US. It was in US interest to keep the country together, but no one ethnic group was singled out more than another for this treatment. It was just that some had more of a seperatist movements than others and wound up in jail more often.

The Croat seperatist movement had been going on a long time by 1991. Back in 1976, a plane from NY to Chicago was hijacked by Croat seperatists.

"September 10, 1976 – Terrorist Zvonko Busic, his wife and three other Croatian terrorists, as a result of concerns about the plight of Croatia within then communist Yugoslavia, hijack a TWA jetliner from LaGuardia Airport, bound for Chicago and re-routed to Paris, seizing 86 passengers. There were no weapons aboard the plane, but genuine explosives were left behind in a Grand Central Station baggage locker in order to create the impression that there were weapons on the plane. Bomb Squad Officer Brian Murray tragically lost his life attempting to deactivate the bomb."

Three moderate Croat businessmen in the US were also murdered by this same group of hijackers. Today, Julienne Busic, one of the hijackers is part of the Croatian government. She is an American who justifies so conveniently what she did that killed a man, that it is scary to me. http://www.asi-mag.com/editorials/busic.htm Do I believe her shoot out in the streets of Paris story? No. Yugoslav agents tracking her all over the world to kill her? Give me a break! Yugoslavia wasn't rich enough or stupid enough to send out that kind of dragnet for her and her husband.

But the point is that it took a while, but the Croat separatists finally found a backer in Germany.


37 posted on 07/24/2006 7:58:56 PM PDT by Bokababe (www.savekosovo.org)
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To: kosta50; FormerLib

Schwartz/Ahmad's background is non-religious Jewish AND Christian.He became a Sufi muslim under the influence of "Bosnia" and the Albanians; he's sort of a "human rightser" muslim.

See http://www.islamicpluralism.org/articles/2005a/vibesinterview.htm

So he represents an extreme form of the "Three Abrahamic faiths" movement. Other members of that movement are soft on radical islam and tend both to be anti-Israel and against authentic Christianity, which sees the Incarnatiion as God's unique way of saving the world and uniting our humanity in the life of the Trinity.

However, very few Jewish or Christian members of the "Three Abrahamic faiths" movement convert to islam--not even horrible "human rightsers" like James Carroll. And Schwartz/Ahmad is a muslim with a visceral hatred of Orthodox Christianity, and who spews propaganda for Balkan jihad, "Greater Albania", and "Bosnian" subversion of Europe and beyond.


38 posted on 07/24/2006 8:34:06 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb; FormerLib

Thank you HS. It just gets worse...Schwartz seems to be a self-styled crusader for the religion of hate. A truely lost soul. Need we say more? Or need we pray for him?


39 posted on 07/24/2006 8:46:50 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Bokababe

A raghead in disguise...? Now, they will absolutely target the Christian citizens with aim of integrating Montenegro into Albania and as planned, Kosovo heading to the dream of Balle Kombetar, and the Greater Albania. They had this planned in 1999, and with our help I'm afraid. The formation of up to eight or nine rebel groups, affiliated with the former KLA and Albanian Mafia. Also linked with TMK/KPC and the current political leadership in Kosovo. hmmmmm? See any pattern here? Once kosovo becomes independent, Macedonia and Southern Presevo and Chameria will be targeted.......for independence as set by the example in Kosovo. Watch, for Volvadina, and Sandjak to start rattling their political strings and demonstrations. It's so easy to predict, a first year Political science major could write a one page essay.....for his/her first graded assignment.

Hmmmmmm, a raghead without a rag....or a sheet.


40 posted on 07/25/2006 1:42:28 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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