[wtc911]

You're kidding but I'll play for one round...one only has to look at the utter failure over the past decades of turks to assimilate into or be accepted by the Germans to see the nonsense of your assertion the Europeans consider turks to be Europeans too.

You are a propogandist.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

You shouldn't make wild guesses. And the question could have been real--why would people consider Turkey to be nonEuropean.

And as for you reply (which was a tad rude, but people have varying rudeness levels), it isn't very convincing. So the Turks aren't assimilating in Germany. So? Are Germans the epitomy of what is or isn't European? (two rhetorical questions). There are people in east France who still use German (i.e. they haven't assimilated into French culture).

if you were referring to honor killings, though, you have point. However, Turks are supposed to be--and by most media accounts they are--very liberal and secular.

Most Turks are as Muslim as most West Europeans are Christian--not very. And also, Turkey is at least if not more European than Russia, and while many Europeans will cut out Russia from Europe, most Americans won't, and judging from your username, you seem to be American.