Posted on 07/21/2006 2:32:59 PM PDT by wagglebee
TORONTO, ON, July 21, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A pro-abortion columnist writing for the National Post has followed the logic of pro-life arguments about the evils of embryonic stem cell research and concluded that, if true, then artificial reproduction techniques must also be considered murderous on the scale of genocide.
“In short, if embryos are human beings with full human rights, fertility clinics are death camps—with a side order of cold-blooded eugenics,” writes Kinsley in an article entitled Where’s the Logic? “No one who truly believes in the humanity of embryos could possibly think otherwise.”
Kinsley explains that in vitro clinics, in their efforts to produce a successful pregnancy, always create numerous embryos, ultimately selecting the best and destroying the rest. Thus not only is murder involved, as thousands of embryonic human beings are destroyed in fertility clinics, but also eugenics, as only the healthiest embryos are selected for implantation.
“In any particular case, fertility clinics try to produce more embryos than they intend to implant. Then…they pick and choose among the candidates, looking for qualities that make for a better human being…If the fertility clinic rejects you, you get flushed away—or maybe frozen until the day you can be discarded without controversy.”
The only logical conclusion, he says, “is that if embryos are human beings, the routine practices of fertility clinics are far worse—both in numbers and in criminal intent—than stem-cell research.”
Kinsley, however, following his display of logical clarity in linking the moral equivalance of the practices of IVF and embryonic stem cell research, continues on to state about the practices of fertility clinics that, “And yet no one objects, or objects very loudly.” From this alleged silence he infers that pro-life advocates are inconsistent, and thereby calls into question the sincerity of the pro-life belief that the embryo is a human being with all the same human rights as any other human being. If even pro-life advocates—he indicates—don’t believe in the humanity of the embryo in all circumstances, but only selectively, then the embryo must not be human.
Pro-life advocates, however, would strongly disagree with Kinsley's assertion that the pro-life community is silent on the issue of IVF being equally murderous as embryonic stem cell research. "Playing God by creating humans in petri dishes is simply wrong," American Life League president Judie Brown has been quoted as saying, echoing the belief of the pro-life movement the world over. "The pro-life movement needs to address the evils of in vitro fertilization with the same diligence with which we denounce all other forms of abortion."
Many other pro-life and religious groups have strongly condemned IVF for its wanton destruction of human life, and there is a strong effort to inform the public on its true nature, and to overturn legislation allowing the precedure. The Vatican, for one, has consistently and vociferously condemned in vitro fertilization, and Catholic teaching is that those who obtain IVF treatments do so at the pain of serious sin, and possible excommunication.
Since its inception LifeSiteNews.com for its own part has published hundreds of articles revealing the truth about in vitro fertilization—that it results in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children annually, and opens itself up to eugenic abuses.
See http://www.lifesite.net/features/invitro/ for a partial list of LifeSiteNews.com stories on IVF.
Yes, that is what I believe.
Pro Life Ping.
It is called waking up to reality.
Kinsley is then either lying or hasn't got a clue.
This is how I thought it worked -- only one egg is fertilized, then?
The author misses a basic underlying issue here. Fertility clinics create embryos to create new life for otherwise-infertile couples. Whereas the purpose of embryonic stem-cell research is to destroy embryos. A very critical semantic difference - purpose - just as killing in self-defense is moral whereas murder is not.
And God kills off at least one in eight people before their mother even knows she's pregnant! Heaven is loaded with zygotes!
It really does make one think about when zygotes, embryos, whatever, are embued with souls.
I've never seen a pro-life protester at a fertility clinic. Is it as common as picketing an abortion clinic?
No. They don't automatically destroy the rest. They fertilize a number of embryos and implant one of the viable ones into the mother. Any other viable ones may be frozen for future implantations, or donated to be used by another infertile couple, or destroyed.
In our case, the only viable one resulted in a beautiful, intelligent little girl whom we dearly love. There were no others to decide over.
What GALL to make such an INCREDIBLY ridiculous claim! This type of distortion SICKENS me.
The purpose of embryonic stem-cell research is not to destroy embryos....they could destroy embryos without the research! The purpose is to save and improve lives via the results of the research!
Yes, SINCE embryos ARE human beings, those clinics and all associated are EVIL and guilty and should be terrified.
Sorry, but how else are you going to get embryonic stem cells, other than destroying embryos? I did not use the right word with purpose - I should have said something about the method to achieve the end goal - however, you CANNOT do embryonic stem cell research without embryos having been destroyed at some point. That is NOT the case with fertility clinics.
And I'm sorry, but a large amount of the promotion of embryonic stem cell research is about obtaining federal research money. Saving lives is secondary. That's the case with climate research that promotes global warming, and that's the case here.
There are many frozen embryos out there...many locked in legal limbo as the parents do not want them, or the parents have split up or died or whatever.
So...if heaven is where we are united with God, and where any Christian should want to be, what is the Christian view of a place that freezes humans indefinitely? Do these embryos have souls locked up apart from God? Isn't it more Christian to release them so they go directly to heaven, rather than sit imprisoned apart from God?
There are questions that are conveniently ignored by both sides of the abortion/pro-life debate.
I have never had a problem with fertility clinics, because I had no idea they kill viable embryos. Its not inconsistency, its a lack of information. Now, thanks to this column, I have been informed and can say with certainty that throwing away a viable embryo at a fertility clinic is every bit as immoral as stem cell research.
In cases where embryos are destroyed, he's absolutely right.
The other side of that argument is that God takes humans at all stages of life, but that society forbids humans taking human life in most circumstances.
Abortion and embryonic stem cell research are currently among the exceptions.
He may be pro-abortion, but he has certainly followed the logic to its conclusion, and his conclusion is absolutely correct. His claim that "no one objects" is false, however. The Catholic Church has been objecting for years ... MSM pays no attention.
"if embryos are human beings with full human rights, fertility clinics are death camps"
welcome to reality. be careful of the blinding light as you crawl out of the deep dark pit.
We know of one baby, still in utero, who had an experience of spiritual joy and actually leapt when pregnant Mary (with Jesus) came into the room: John the baptist, because he recognized Who was there: his Lord and Savior.
"Fetuses" or embryos are humans, made in the image of God, contrary to what the godless liberal religion preaches.
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