Posted on 07/21/2006 10:49:04 AM PDT by Stoat
A gay Atlanta man was bludgeoned to death and his confessed killer walked free after claiming he was forced into a sexual act and responded in self-defense. The killer of a Kentucky man whose body was stuffed in a suitcase and dumped into a lake also claimed he acted to thwart a sexual advance and was convicted of manslaughter instead of murder.
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As a normal, healthy, heterosexual male, if I were to be lied to and discovered only after the fact that a personal liaison was with someone who as born as a male, and that person intentionally misrepresented themselves as a female, I would probably consider it much in the same way as a woman considers a rape. This 'conference' appears to be an effort to legitimize the concept of transgender and cross-dressers lying about who they are and misrepresenting themselves and minimizing the consequences of engaging in such a horrific practice.
But, if someone is stupid enough to have sex with an obvious stranger, I'd have to suggest the old caveat emptor applies. Your post seems to be an effort to legitimize the one night stand, and not have to deal with the consequences of the stupidity (not you personally, but the normal hetero male who got himself into the situation).
"I met her in a club down in old Soho . . . " - Raymond Douglas Davies
I agree with dmz. If you have drunken intercourse with a complete stranger, you're a dolt.
And if a woman is stupid enough to dress like a slut, does she deserve anything that might come to her?
If a man dresses like a metrosexual, does he deserve a male hand on his buttocks?
Agreed, and I'm not trying to legitimize one-night stands either. What if it didn't even get to the point of intercourse? Even a kiss would make me feel completely violated and dirty....I can hardly imagine how I would feel if such an awful thing were to happen to me..
And if a woman is stupid enough to dress like a slut, does she deserve anything that might come to her?
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That has to be the most ridiculous comparison I could imagine.
In one case we have an idiot male having consensual sex with someone he does not know (obviously at all), and your example of a woman getting raped (I assume that's what you meant) because of how she dressed.
How in God's name do you connect those 2 different situations?
But it was your own doing that got you into that situation, you would need to take responsibility for your poor judgement.
Women lie to men, do you think you should be able to kick their ass for that?
But it was your own doing that got you into that situation, you would need to take responsibility for your poor judgement.
Women lie to men, do you think you should be able to kick their ass for that?
When someone else intentionally misrepresents themselves, I don't see that as my own doing. Is the liar to be completely without fault?
If so, why?
Women lie to men, do you think you should be able to kick their ass for that?
Women don't typically lie to men about their gender, I consider such a lie in a completely different category than, say, lying about how old she is or how many boyfriends she has had. It's a question of degree, and lying about your sexual identity seems a pretty high degree of a lie to me.
I agree. Moreover, lying is no grounds to hurt someone. If you really feel violated, seek civil recourse in court. There is no good reason to hurt someone for that. You made a mistake, deal with it in a civilized way. If someone mugs you or attacks you, you kill them, but no way for this. Murder is a sin, and killing someone for misrepresenting themselves it not self defense. It is assault or murder, and you then are the threat to others, and should be punished.
If you can't change a bulb in the dark, you should keep the lights on.
Pretty much; but that doesn't make it legal to abuse her.
It's merely a "deception" when their DNA screams LIAR?
Don't misunderstand me, I am NOT condoning murder but these people seem to see no problem with lying.
In both cases people are volunarily engaging in promiscuous activity, and in both cases find themselves involuntarily involved in a sexual act. Having bad sexual judgement doesn't mean a free pass for anyone to take advantage.
You don't get it. Panic at discovering you've been lied to is the problem. Few men want it made public. It's NOT a defense for murder but I certainly can understand a violent reaction to being lied to.
Instead of trying to pass new laws why not educate gays, cross dressers and transgendered folk NOT TO LIE.
Is the liar to be completely without fault?
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Not at all. But you didn't do your own due diligence. There are 2 separate issues involved. I am commenting only on one side of it, and that is the side that relates to one's libido driving their own inappropriate behavior. That part is totally under your control, and yet you want to hold the other person responsible for your poor choices.
I'm no prude, mind you (came of age in the 1970's), but have been married for 17 years and have been out of the game for a while. I think a bar pickup (not likely to encounter too many gender benders at a church social) gets you what you want/deserve: getting your rocks off. You aren't eligible for a do-over after the fact. And you certainly cannot blame the other party for your lousy judgement.
Several years ago in a case where the body was found in a suitcase an insensitive member of this forum asked if this cold be considered carrion luggage. I know, I know....
No, I want to hold the other person responsible for their lie.
As I've stated, I'm not advocating or defending bar pickups, one night stands or any such behavior, and I'm certainly not advocating "kicking someone's ass" as you put it.
The fact of the matter is that some of these cross-dressing perverts are very young and very skilled at making themselves appear female. They are so good at what they do that intelligent and non-drunk people often have difficulty distinguishing them from the real thing.
Although it's of course important that a man be as sure as he can about what he's doing, my only concern is that there appears to be an effort in this "conference" to minimize and ultimately eliminate any responsibility whatsoever on the part of the homosexual cross-dresser, and to blame any negative effects of such an encounter upon the 'evil, homophobic' heterosexual male.
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