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Minutemen skeptical of ties with Keyes project (Funding Questions)
The Washington Times ^ | 7-20-06 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/20/2006 12:08:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps calls itself a "project of the Declaration Alliance," although few MCDC volunteers know what the alliance does or why Minuteman donations are routed through the charity founded and headed by conservative activist Alan Keyes.

Several Minuteman leaders and members questioned the wisdom of ceding control over fundraising to the Herndon-based Declaration Alliance, part of an intricate weave of conservative organizations founded and chaired by Mr. Keyes or tied to longtime Keyes associates working with MCDC.

MCDC President Chris Simcox told The Washington Times that the alliance offers "an experienced organization for mass mailings, advertising and public relations" and the ability to conduct a "fully accredited and independent audit" of MCDC finances.

Mr. Simcox said he "checked these people out very carefully before agreeing to work with them" and that he made the "correct decision" in hiring "clean professional consultants, accountants and media professionals." He did not, however, disclose during an interview last week or in a 3,961-word follow-up statement how much Declaration Alliance and its affiliated organizations have been paid for their services

During the interview, he said, "Not one cent of MCDC money has been spent on alliance projects." The statement, released on the MCDC Web page, www.minutemanhq.com/hq/, does not mention Declaration Alliance or Mr. Keyes. ...."

"..Diener Consultants first contacted the Minuteman organization in early 2005, said Ms. Hair, the MCDC spokeswoman who also was a top adviser to Mr. Keyes in his presidential and senatorial races. She said she called Mr. Simcox after the Minuteman group was created to ask whether he had a media plan. After being told no, she said, she met with Mr. Simcox and Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist in Washington and signed an agreement...."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; keyes; mcdc; minutemanproject; minutemen; mmp; seper; simcox
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To: axes_of_weezles
I guess you have not noticed, all the Nazi types had issues with Simcox and are former to his group.

Well until they reach management positions and ask him questions.

421 posted on 07/23/2006 12:25:22 AM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: kcvl

bttt


422 posted on 07/23/2006 12:49:10 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin; Amelia; MikefromOhio
That explains all the "activity" on the George Allen threads. They're here to keep him from getting the nomination.

Must be why EV told me Allen is a "shoo-in" for the nomination.

He knows his own track record.

423 posted on 07/23/2006 5:18:19 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If the materials were donated, they would be a deduction.

How would they be, if donations to the parent organization are not tax deductible?

424 posted on 07/23/2006 7:09:21 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: onyx

Sounds as if you had a great time! We missed you! :-)


425 posted on 07/23/2006 7:14:16 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia

The Alliance is the activist or advocate organization, meant to actively influence political policy and legislation The Foundation is a nonprofit educational organization that takes no positions on candidates or elections. DAPAC is simply the political action committee arm of DA.

The PAC includes as one of its goals the defeat of "RINOS"?

Good Lord. Talk about pandering to the extremists and rr.

ps: I wonder if their goals have ever been rewritten over the years.


426 posted on 07/23/2006 7:28:58 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: axes_of_weezles; Texasforever; catholicfreeper
Go ahead and believe the SPLC and the moonbat websites, they are wrong about her associations with Simcox.

I thought this whole line of argument started because catholicfreeper found that she is the one who has the Minuteman trademark registered, according to a website run by the state of Arizona?

Is the state of Arizona running "moonbat websites" now?

427 posted on 07/23/2006 7:30:09 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: unsycophant
The Alliance is the activist or advocate organization, meant to actively influence political policy and legislation

Yes, it's the branch that supposedly the MCDC is under. But donations to DA are not tax-deductible.

ps: I wonder if their goals have ever been rewritten over the years.

Don't know. Maybe they need to let the FEC know that they are now advocating for the election and defeat of specific candidates?

428 posted on 07/23/2006 7:33:22 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia

I really think American Caging is the key especially after spending about 2 hours looking at the oddest race I have seen in a while. That is that Republican primary in West Virgina. Where this weridness is American Caging is there.


429 posted on 07/23/2006 7:51:08 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Texasforever

You know it. Don't forget the association between Keyes and Judge Moore, their tour across the country, and Moore's association with the evangelical shyster in Florida, whose name escapes me (but who paid for and installed the Ten Commandments memorial and encouraged Moore not to give in to the law).

There used to be audio available online where the preacher talked about having personal meetings with the IRS brass and seemed to be saying he was able to influence decisions that affected his nonprofits in Florida (where he was raking in millions)--he encouraged his followers to pressure the IRS on his (religious nonprofit) behalf.

These types have proven that politics and religion DO mix when the rr can be hooked with the right bait and convinced to support certain causes (which always seem to require donations to "make a difference").


430 posted on 07/23/2006 7:57:32 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: Amelia

I just looked up some old stuff I posted on another site in 2003 and 2004, regarding this same topic.

The Keyes sites were down for several months, and when they came back up they'd been redesigned to include links to religiously themed sites and orgs that weren't there before.

The Declaration Foundation launched something called "One Nation Under God", which then had links to visionamerica, restore the commandments, and America21. Many of these orgs and leadership were associated with the Constitution Party. I don't know if OneNation is still out there, or active.


431 posted on 07/23/2006 8:18:15 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant
These types have proven that politics and religion DO mix when the rr can be hooked with the right bait and convinced to support certain causes (which always seem to require donations to "make a difference").

I think part of the problem is that the donors are basically good people who tend to see believe that others (at least those who proclaim to share their values) are as honest and sincere as they themselves are, and they are very reluctant to think that these groups might not be doing what they say they are doing.

Then we get the "so what if they're crooks - they're our crooks!" mentality....

432 posted on 07/23/2006 9:16:47 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
It does not make you more passionate on the subject of immigration law enforcement than I am, nor me less passionate about it than you, and it certainly does not make me automatically wrong and you automatically right.

Fine words - I can hardly disagree.

I will read your future posts on ths subject with renewed interest, and if I could use clarification on any points you may make, I hope you will oblige.

433 posted on 07/23/2006 12:22:36 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Rex Anderson

as long as they're digger deeper, don't you think they could put in a few fence posts while they're at it?


434 posted on 07/23/2006 4:12:07 PM PDT by PDR
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To: catholicfreeper; PDR; Amelia; Rex Anderson; unsycophant; Howlin; onyx
It appears that Ladd is happy with his new cattle fence

So when illegal immigrants began once again to cross his ranch near the end of 2005, Ladd was ready to give the Minutemen another chance — though he wasn’t interested in the 14-foot, Israeli-style barrier the group was pushing.

“They have to be more aware of how they present themselves,” Ladd said of the Minutemen. “They’re doing a good job, but they should put up a picture of our fence (on the group’s Web site). The Israeli design just gives the critics fuel.”
Ladd Fence -

435 posted on 07/23/2006 6:04:46 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
When he tried to get federal authorities to fix the fence, Ladd said he was told barbed wire was useless in stopping human traffic, and so the government was not interested in replacing it.

I'm confused here. I don't know why the Minuteman fence is better than the barbed wire fence Ladd already had that was being cut regularly. Indeed, the Minuteman fence has already been cut, according to news reports, but Ladd says it's working?

“I told them, ‘If you want to put up a barbed-wire fence with a vehicle barrier, let’s do it,’ ” Ladd said.

I didn't think the vehicle barrier was installed yet? Will a vehicle barrier keep out cows?

436 posted on 07/23/2006 6:13:52 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia
I'm confused here. I don't know why the Minuteman fence is better than the barbed wire fence Ladd already had that was being cut regularly. Indeed, the Minuteman fence has already been cut, according to news reports, but Ladd says it's working?

Well it was a "free" fence after all. He can afford to make more repairs. Did you read the part about him running the Minutemen off his ranch earlier? I think Ladd may have out-conned Simcox.

437 posted on 07/23/2006 6:17:28 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

I feel better already for our international relations. Poor American Cows will not become illegal aliens in Mexico and We will keep out all those Mexican cows out. Thank God for the donors


438 posted on 07/23/2006 6:21:42 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Texasforever; catholicfreeper
Off the subject, but here's something I found ironic and amusing, from the Wikipedia entry on Alan Keyes:

After political cartoonist Ted Rall published his "Terror Widows" cartoon (link) suggesting the widows of men killed in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks were motivated by greed, Keyes responded with an essay titled "Shunning the intolerable." Keyes compared Rall to a pornographer and suggested he be fired and "shunned by all." Keyes wrote, "Should such a cartoonist be punished, arrested? Shot at dawn?" He wrote, "it is worth remembering that when serious and sustained attempts to undermine public opinion on a matter genuinely essential to national life cannot be resisted by other means, governmental action may be necessary" and "we should not tolerate those who seek to debase our judgment and destroy our unity and resolve."

Wasn't there just a huge controversy because Ann Coulter said the same thing Ted Rall had said earlier?

439 posted on 07/23/2006 6:27:11 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: catholicfreeper
Well I can see the logic about cross border infection of herds. A single case of Hoff and mouth found in a herd can require the entire herd to be destroyed. Having said that this cattle fence has absolutly zero connection to illegal immigration. It was a cheap publicity stunt that cost Simcox very little. As Ladd said, he wonders why his fence is not pictured on the website instead of the Isreali fence but the answer is simple, the Israeli fence at 150 dollars per ft. is the fundraising hook. No one would ever donate to build free ranch fencing to ranchers.
440 posted on 07/23/2006 6:27:48 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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