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Republicans Unveil School Voucher Plan
Breitbart.com ^ | 18 July 2006 | BEN FELLER

Posted on 07/19/2006 7:15:14 PM PDT by ChessExpert

Congressional Republicans on Tuesday proposed a $100 million plan to let poor children leave struggling schools ...

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; education; educationfunding; gop; poorchildren; schoolvouchers; strugglingschools; voucher; vouchers
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To: usflagwaver

No way to pull them out now and possibly homeschool? It can be much cheaper than private schools. And spending one on one time educating your own children can bring quite a bond that will instill more than just facts and knowledge.


121 posted on 07/21/2006 8:21:18 PM PDT by uptoolate (Eph 6:24)
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To: wintertime

So everyone should have houses that cost exactly the same, and everyone should drive exactly the same car, so everything will be fair and no one will live better than anyone else.

Not something I thought I'd see championed on FR.


122 posted on 07/22/2006 2:40:09 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: wintertime

"For the past few years now, the Baptists have introduced resolutions that all Baptists should remove their children from government schools."

They introduce them, but they don't PASS them. That's failed for three years in a row, now.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/living/14867905.htm


123 posted on 07/22/2006 2:47:23 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003

They introduce them, but they don't PASS them. That's failed for three years in a row, now.

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The very fact that that the Baptists are introducing these resolutions at their convention is remarkable and very hopeful. I never thought I'd live to see the day.


124 posted on 07/22/2006 4:48:49 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: linda_22003
So everyone should have houses that cost exactly the same, and everyone should drive exactly the same car, so everything will be fair and no one will live better than anyone else.

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The market in cars and houses is a free market. It is entirely possible to have very safe, comfortable, and reliable houses and cars being sold at a wide range of prices.

That you and your neighbors have good schools becuase of buying into a neighborhood is evidence of a grossly distorted market in education. This abomination exists because government has a price-fixed monopoly on education.

If government ran price-fixed monopoly grocery stores, you and other would be buying houses in good neighborhoods just so you could have access to a decent government grocery store.

Think about it. Why are you sucking the blood of those making far less than you so that your little darlings can move into a neighborhood with good schools? If you and your neighbors can afford those homes, you could afford to live in a somewhat less expensive home and pay TUITION for your children's education. The very fact that you can afford to live where you do is due to the subsidy given to you by others who are earning far less. You get the good school and they get crap!

You pay for your child's food, clothing, housing, and transportation. Education should not be any different.

Government schools are one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the poor to the financially well-off. It is not equitable.
125 posted on 07/22/2006 4:59:19 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Those who are earning far less should see about earning more. We did, and that's why we live where we live.

You're way too socialist for me.


126 posted on 07/22/2006 5:02:03 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: ChessExpert

Only the poor children huh? Middle class children and upper middle class children (the one whose parents actually pay property taxes to help fund schools) still get to pound sand? No vouchers for the financially average - they get to stay or pay more out of pocket. That's nice. Thanks so much massa gub'mint!


127 posted on 07/22/2006 5:04:39 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: tutstar

ping


128 posted on 07/22/2006 5:06:50 AM PDT by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has. The question is faith in what?)
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To: AD from SpringBay

AND - while I'm at it - the numbers are public so check them yourself - about half of every dollar 'given' to schools never reaches the classroom. They reach the administration and the layers of experts that are now built-in to public schools. Public schools are designed to spend money and get larger, not necessarily educate students (allow me to paraphrase Gatto).


129 posted on 07/22/2006 5:12:50 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: wintertime
You pay for your child's food, clothing, housing, and transportation. Education should not be any different.

Apply that for everybody, not just 'the rich bogeyman' and I'm in.
130 posted on 07/22/2006 5:20:04 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: linda_22003

Those who are earning far less should see about earning more. We did, and that's why we live where we live.

You're way too socialist for me.

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Linda,

It is YOU who are the socialist. You are taking taxes from people earning FAR less, so that YOU can have a subsidy.

If you are living where you are, YOU are completely capable of paying tuition for YOUR children's education. By not doing this and advocating that government give you a taxpayer service, it is YOU who are the socialist.

Please remember, that businesses pay school taxes, these taxes are passed along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. So....even the poorest of the poor are paying more for everything they buy and use so that YOU can have a subsidy for something YOU can pay for yourself.


131 posted on 07/22/2006 11:17:10 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

Apply that for everybody, not just 'the rich bogeyman' and I'm in.

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For the poor we issue food and housing vouchers. The rest pay for food and clothing for themselves.

We can do the same for education. ( although I prefer tax credits)


132 posted on 07/22/2006 11:18:46 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

First of all, I don't have kids, so I'm not taking anything from anyone. In fact, I am paying for other people's kids.

My parents sent me to private school for grades 9-12, (1968-1972), and certainly still paid their property taxes which went heavily to the public schools. That school cost over $8000 a year, 35+ years ago.

I looked up the tuition and fees for my school for this coming year, just for comparison. Think they could get a voucher for $42,707? (No wonder, when I went to a private college, my mother commented on what a price break it was after my high school!).


133 posted on 07/22/2006 11:20:58 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: wintertime

Hmmmm, that's called "welfare", and I think most people on this website don't want that to become any more entrenched than it is. Other than you, that is.


134 posted on 07/22/2006 11:22:15 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: AD from SpringBay

Do you mind if I ask what city you live in?

There are lots of horror stories around here. Yet I live in a school district that I consider to be EXCELLENT. It receives the second highest possible rating by the state, yet something like 30+% of the students live at or near the poverty level. Students who stay in the district 3+ years do MUCH better than those who come and go. The district even outperforms most private schools and offers more advanced programs. The vast majority of funds the schools receive go straight to the classroom and school services (teacher pay, school supplies, buildings and operating expenses). In fact most districts around here have just a small % go to "the administration and the layers of experts". It is NOWHERE near 50%.

Yet our taxes are low and there hasn't been a tax levy put up for a vote in years (and in Ohio, you have to pass a levy for additional funds - property reassessments do not raise additional money for the schools).

The top students coming out are really incredibly impressive....

One graduate is even serving as the White House Press Secretary.


135 posted on 07/22/2006 1:22:15 PM PDT by eraser2005
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To: linda_22003
Hmmmm, that's called "welfare", and I think most people on this website don't want that to become any more entrenched than it is. Other than you, that is.

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Linda,

BINGO!

Government schools are the BIGGEST welfare payment to the upper and middle classes that I can think of.

These are people who CAN and SHOULD be paying their own kid's tuition at school in the same way as they pay for their child's food, clothing, and housing.
136 posted on 07/22/2006 1:41:54 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Sorry, I somehow thought you were in favor of vouchers, at least for some.


137 posted on 07/22/2006 2:10:07 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Amelia

I think a couple things on that list address some very crucial issues, such as the marriage amendment. But I agree some of it has been a diversion.


138 posted on 07/23/2006 12:13:21 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
I think a couple things on that list address some very crucial issues, such as the marriage amendment. But I agree some of it has been a diversion.

I think it's all been a diversion.

They didn't pass the marriage amendment, and I don't think they thought they would.

139 posted on 07/23/2006 12:28:29 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: uptoolate

Unfortunately, our daughter was not a good student. She would make an awful teacher. If I was older and retired, I would do it, but I'm not, and I have to work, so that won't work. I have met several kids that have been taught at home. I am very impressed.


140 posted on 07/24/2006 3:18:43 PM PDT by usflagwaver
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