[Lunatic Fringe]

An apple seed is not an apple tree. An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus.

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic.

[ohioWfan]

An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus.

Prove that scientifically.

Or is your man-centered religion getting in the way of the facts?

[Blackirish]

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives.

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Having religion rule your life is fine.

I just don't want it ruling the government.

[TheDon]

At least you give the apple seed the dignity of calling it an apple seed.

[TheDon]

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic.

You keep confusing religion with morality. Everyone has a belief system, i.e. religion, which directs their moral decisions. Yes, even you.

[kcat]

The embryo or little bunch of cells or whatever you guys want to call "it" would not eventually become a candybar or mountain lion - the little bunch of cells that came from your parents egg and sperm meeting became you and if your bunch of cells had been used for research you would never exist. The next meeting of egg and sperm would be someone else.

[Patriotic Bostonian]

You just love killing babies. You definitely are a lunatic and a frigging liar to boot.

[firebrand]

You can't say an embryo is not a human being because it doesn't look like us.

Children don't look like grownups. Babies don't look like older children. Infants don't look like older babies. Six-month fetuses don't look like infants. Embryos don't look like fetuses.

They are all complete human beings.

[Oliver Optic]

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives.

Yeah ... like this rabid, brainwashed fool:

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity.

Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who that is a sincere friend to it can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?

(George Washington's Farewell Address)

[Frank T]

"But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives."

As opposed to letting people like you rule their lives?

[Coldwater Creek]

I will be a fool for Jusus any day!!!!!!!

[Merlinator]

Are you sure you're on the right forum DUde?

[mother22wife21]

"But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives."

Not to put too fine a point on it, but, that is exactly what we religious folks are to do.

[LexBaird]

An apple seed is not an apple tree. An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus.

Speaking Ex Cathedra, there? Your word is infallible? Because I sure don't see anything beyond your opinion and word semantics backing this up.

[Famishus]

An apple seed is not an apple tree.

And if you destroy it, it never will be, either.

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic.

They're not the 10 Suggestions, you know. And yes, they are carved in stone.

[dirtboy]

An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus.

And the Jews/Slavs/Tutsi/Armenians are less than human. Part of the rationalization process to justify killing them.

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic.

You are the pathetic one. My pro-life position comes from Nat Hentoff, for the reasons above - your language treating an embryo as something less than human to justify killing it is very akin to the language used to justify genocide. Which is why it is heinous.

So try and debate THAT with your dismissive insults.

[Brytani]

Show me a single person who currently or has ever walked the face of the earth that did not begin life as an embryo.

[Forgiven_Sinner]

"An apple seed is not an apple tree. An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus."

An apple seed has the same DNA as an apple tree. It is not a different species.

A human embryo has the same DNA as a full grown human being. It is the same species.

If killing an adult human is immoral, killing an embryo is immoral. They are both human, in different stages of development.

If killing an embryo is moral, then killing an adult human is moral. Who do you want to make that decision for you?

[Kenny Bunkport]

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic.

You want to see brainwashed? Look in the mirror.

[My2Cents]

we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic

We have a bunch of fools in bondage to their own appetites who let their carnal cravings rule their lives. Pathetic.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"An apple seed is not an apple tree. An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus.

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic."

So, what is an apple seed after it is planted and begins growing?