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President Finds His Veto Pen (embryo stem cell research)

Posted on 07/19/2006 11:14:14 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush has issued the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a bill to expand federal research on stem cells obtained from embryos.


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To: Rummyfan
All I can say is, if embryonic stem cell research is the boon to medicine that some say, why is federal funding needed to conduct it?

I understand venture capital is flowing freely to adult stem cell (includes umbilical cord blood) research because early results are so promising and there are many successful cures already. IIRC, embryonic stem cells research started two years before adult stem cells were discovered, and has yielded no results (except to cause tumors).

81 posted on 07/19/2006 11:35:16 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Blackirish

Oops. You apparently got lost in cyberspace. Find another forum.


82 posted on 07/19/2006 11:35:27 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Lunatic Fringe

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives.




Having religion rule your life is fine.

I just don't want it ruling the government.


83 posted on 07/19/2006 11:35:34 AM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: DustyMoment

If the legislature passes a budget, then the legislators should have to take the political fall out for it. The president is not congress and I applaud him from not playing the "dictator" role with his veto pen like most presidents. On the other hand, unlike dollars and cents that can be manipulated up and down by all sorts of ongoing votes and issues, KILLING INNOCENT LIFE cannot be undone. Good choice of veto power.


84 posted on 07/19/2006 11:36:37 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: STARWISE
Be prepared for the onslaught, STARWISE.........starting on this very thread.

The cynicism and mockery is palpable.

Verifying that the President has done the RIGHT thing. The Enemy is not happy.

85 posted on 07/19/2006 11:37:18 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Soul Seeker

I didn't completely misread his character after all.

I said long ago If he ever exercised a VETO, he'd do so on this.

Seems I was right about it...and him. Actualy restores some of my sentiments about him.

Thank you Mr. President.




Hi Soul Seeker,

Isn't it amazing that this thread brought out all the usual BushBasherbots, almost as if on cue? Oh well. I guess these same people had no problem with Bubba overturning and reversing protections on the unborn almost the second he got in office.

Que sera, sera...whatever will be, will be...


86 posted on 07/19/2006 11:37:18 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (To exercise your first amendment rights, go to college. To defend them, join the military.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
At least you give the apple seed the dignity of calling it an apple seed.
87 posted on 07/19/2006 11:37:23 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: meandog

There are not nearly enough votes to override his veto.


88 posted on 07/19/2006 11:38:14 AM PDT by kidd (If God is your co-pilot, try switching seats)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Take a look at how much the major parmaceuticals spend of their own money on R&D, compared to the huge amounts of profits their receive. Pfizer and others put only 1 of every 5 dollars into R&D, while their profits are up by more than 33%

Pfizer has a big plant in my hometown, and out county council voted to give them a $250 million tax abatement for a new facility.

If the average auto company were run like the average pharmaceutical company, then a typical car would cost more than $250,000.

89 posted on 07/19/2006 11:38:25 AM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: Blackirish
You prefer to have the government spend YOUR money to end human life?

What an interesting 'conservative' perspective you have.......

90 posted on 07/19/2006 11:38:31 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic.

You keep confusing religion with morality. Everyone has a belief system, i.e. religion, which directs their moral decisions. Yes, even you.

91 posted on 07/19/2006 11:38:36 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Based on the promises made? Based on the successes of adult stem cell research? Yes, I'd classify it a failure to date.

If it was the success they had promised and believed it to be, they wouldn't need government funding. Government is applied for by Amtrak, we subsidize farmers NOT to grow agricultures, we subsidize the airlines to prevent bankruptcy. If it's such a success, the private sector can provide funding that far surpasses any contribution the Federal Government would contribute.


92 posted on 07/19/2006 11:38:40 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: agrace
OUR TWO SENATORS VOTED AGAINST THIS BILL.

(Proof that RINOS are better than Dems, even when they drive you insane! :)

93 posted on 07/19/2006 11:39:48 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
PRESIDENT Bush goes against the majority of Congress and 70% of American people

First, where do you get 70% of the American people. It seems to me that in November of 2004 the majority of the American people voted for what the President just did.

Second, the majority of CONgress goes against the majority of the American people ALL, if not most, of the time.

If you listened to the President, HE is NOT banning embryonic stem cell research. You are more than welcome to do so with your OWN money - keep your hands off my wallet.

The President is forbidding CONgress from FORCING me to pay for this mess.

THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!!!

94 posted on 07/19/2006 11:39:50 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Giving Federal money to firms to do R&D is corporate welfare, glad that the President vetoed it. Just say No to Corporate Welfare.


95 posted on 07/19/2006 11:40:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: meandog
Shrubbie, You're doin' a heck of a job!

Coming from the number one McCain supporter on this forum. Using language commonly spoken by Liberals. If this VETO provokes this reaction from you, all the more praise for the President is forthcoming from me.

96 posted on 07/19/2006 11:40:16 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe; Blackirish

The embryo or little bunch of cells or whatever you guys want to call "it" would not eventually become a candybar or mountain lion - the little bunch of cells that came from your parents egg and sperm meeting became you and if your bunch of cells had been used for research you would never exist. The next meeting of egg and sperm would be someone else.


97 posted on 07/19/2006 11:40:41 AM PDT by kcat
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To: HayekRocks

Your question is not entirely clear, but I believe the answer is that by "separating" the "cells" you have created a new life.


98 posted on 07/19/2006 11:41:12 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: HayekRocks
Suppose we take a fertilized embryo, allow it to divide once, and then separate the two daughter cells. This is almost the same as what happens to produce identical twins. We implant one embryo, where it goes on to be born.

Can we do this? What do you mean by "almost"? Will this action in fact produce two embryos? I truly don't know, do you? If it can't, your question is a bit of a strawman.

That said, I'll assume the premise is valid and answer your question. You said

If you think we have destroyed a human life, then explain why, since we have the same human being we would have had had we done nothing.

But that's the thing - in the scenario you described, we DID do something. A second life was formed. There's no going back, at that point.

99 posted on 07/19/2006 11:41:29 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Soul Seeker; meandog
meandog is really Molly Ivans incognito.

Didn't you know that SS?

100 posted on 07/19/2006 11:41:44 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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