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To: jla
He is though on the side that a majority of conservative reps are. Your claim that 70% of Americans favor embryonic stem cell culling is an outright lie. If you don't appreciate living in a country founded on the precepts of Judeo-Christianity then I'd suggest you vacate the United States.

That's the best thing about the United States, your religious views don't carry the weight of law, and nobody will be forced to leave because of them. The pendulum will swing back away from this temporary trip into Fundamentalism. And the country will be better off for it.
127 posted on 07/19/2006 11:52:17 AM PDT by BritExPatInFla
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To: BritExPatInFla
That's the best thing about the United States, your religious views don't carry the weight of law, and nobody will be forced to leave because of them.

This is exactly why Thomas Jefferson led the republicans in advocating free practice of one's religion - something the British Anglican Church didn't exactly cotton to.

The pendulum will swing back away from this temporary trip into Fundamentalism. And the country will be better off for it.

A thinly disguided slur against Fundementalism. Tell me, British Expat, what is the opinion of embryonic stem cell research in Catholicism? Judaism?
Or is it just those stone-age, God-fearing Fundies you've a problem with?

162 posted on 07/19/2006 12:06:02 PM PDT by jla
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To: BritExPatInFla

"That's the best thing about the United States, your religious views don't carry the weight of law, and nobody will be forced to leave because of them. The pendulum will swing back away from this temporary trip into Fundamentalism. And the country will be better off for it."

I doubt it. Any time the social agenda of secular fundamentalists is stopped in the legislature, that's a good thing.

Myself, as a non religious person: I'll take the fundamentalism that prohibits killing the innocent members of our society, over the fundamentalism that wants to kill the weak and unborn for the sake of commerce and individual "freedom of choice."


164 posted on 07/19/2006 12:06:23 PM PDT by Frank T
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To: BritExPatInFla
The pendulum will swing back away from this temporary trip into Fundamentalism. And the country will be better off for it.

This country has NOT taken a trip into fundamentalism, temporary or otherwise. Would that it be so.

35-40 years ago stores were not open on Sunday
You could watch TV with any age group or sex and not be embarrassed by the material on the program or the commercials.
Children were dressed as children, not hookers and pimps.
Women dressed as ladies, not some whore that had just gotten off work.
Movies did not need rated, for the most part. Sexual situations were left to your imagination, not presented like you were watching a porn flick. (Same for TV)

You can hear offensive language on nearly every program on TV, including the news, but when our President, during a private conversation, says "sh*!" the world acts as if he had committed some heinous crime. Who are the "fundamentalists" now?

People flock from all over the world to live in the United States of America, then have the unmitigated gaul to criticize our way of life and beliefs. Why is that "ExPat"? If they don't like it here they should feel free to leave. Quit trying to change my country.

254 posted on 07/19/2006 12:37:02 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: BritExPatInFla
The pendulum will swing back away from this temporary trip into Fundamentalism. And the country will be better off for it.

I don't think that will happen, especially in this day and age.

What has happened is that peoples' attitudes are hardening, along with more avenues of expression being available to people (such as the internet, 24/7 news channels, etc.), and most importantly, people with like beliefs have a much easier time of finding one another ala the internet, and their views are reinforced even more (and hardened even more).

As a result people who are on the extreme sides of any issue can make themselves heard much easier than in the past.

There is still the inevitable "silent majority" (not the best way to phrase it, but gets the point across) that sits in the middle on many things, or doesn't care, and they don't get heard because they aren't very vocal or don't care, and as a result they are marginalized by the MSM until elections, or major issues get them riled up one way or the other.

Even if it did swing back that way, past times were not as good and wholesome as people like to think they were, it just wasn't as visible.

I always find it very amusing when people talk about how civilized things used to be 150 years ago or 200 years ago. If they went back and looked at what people were doing and saying and what-not, their toes would curl - the times have changed, but human nature has been pretty consistent at times.

If anything, our society is quite tame in many ways these days, whether it's politics, adult relations, swearing, marriage, death, whatever.
291 posted on 07/19/2006 12:56:05 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: BritExPatInFla

This profound veto is not about "fundamentalism"...but about HUMANITY.

It starts at conception. Human beings were not meant to
be exploited for this utilitarian parts.


298 posted on 07/19/2006 1:02:03 PM PDT by eleni121 (General Draza Mihailovich: We will never forget you - the hero of World War Two)
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