President Finds His Veto Pen (embryo stem cell research)

[Lunatic Fringe]

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush has issued the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a bill to expand federal research on stem cells obtained from embryos.

[ohioWfan]

What, as you see it, ARE the President's motives?

[Lunatic Fringe]

Fine.

Is a zygote a human being? No, because it can divide into two zygotes that will eventually form into TWO human beings, twins. Sometimes they divide again to form quads. If a human life begins at conception, how does the 2nd human life of the twins form if it did not form at the moment conception? The only explanation is that an individual life forms sometime after conception during the gestation process.

In fact, the idea of the "moment of conception" is a misnomer since conception is a process, not an event.

A human life is an individual and indivisible lifeform. Therefore from a strictly biological sense, a zygote is not an individual human life.

[ohioWfan]

I love to go on this conservative forum and see solid moral and ethical values described as 'fairy tale beliefs.'

I couldn't do better if I read a TIME magazine article, or watched a special on CNN.

Thanks for providing the 'other' point of view for all of us conservatives. It's really been enlightening.

[Lunatic Fringe]

See my post regarding zygotes dividing into twins. Obviously the zygote does not have a unique DNA since twins do not have identical DNA.

[newfarm4000n]

To reduce the amount of stem cell research that happens as opposed t merely reducing another spending bill that is unnecessary.

[narses]

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A human life is an individual and indivisible lifeform.

So inoperable Siamese Twins are not human?

[ohioWfan]

You never answered my question about your using religion against me.

How do you defend that using your 'belief' system?

[Lunatic Fringe]

Hey, why aren't you advocating the complete ban of embryonic stem-cell research????

You have stated that private firms should fund this! Is it murder or isn't it??? How can you say it's ok for private companies to fund this, but when the government does it it's murder? Or are you just a BushWorshiping Religoius Right Robot who can't think for yourself?

[ohioWfan]

So saving lives is not a good motive, but not spending money IS?

Is that what you meant to say? Or am I misunderstanding you?

[ohioWfan]

You are VERY confused. I have never said that I advocate private funding of embryonic stem cell research.

I am completely pro-life. I oppose it all.

(John Kerry 'ethics' showing again, Lunatic? Just make things up as you go along? It fits with your leftist views on this subject).

[Lunatic Fringe]

Because you use religious philosophy to deny human beings the opportunity of scientific advancement. You want government to make policy based on religious beliefs, just like Muslims do in their dirthole countries.

[Blackirish]

I don't see anything moral, ethical or conservative with what happened in Uganda.
I see Christian fundamentalists imposing their beliefs. It's the EXACT same thing fundamental Islamists would do.

[ohioWfan]

Oh..........that was a cute non-sequitur.

Have you ever considered taking a course in Logic, Lunatic?

Why don't you find some nice CONSERVATIVE professor and learn to think clearly.

Now, enough wasting of my time with a leftist inculcated atheist. I'll keep praying for you (since you made religion fair game by using it, I'm allowed to tell you that God loves you in spite of your hatred of Him. He does).

Good-bye, Lunatic. I'm glad your Mom cared more about life than you do.

[ohioWfan]

Oh, another cute 'Islam' parallel.

I like the DU talking points here. This is really fun.

[Lunatic Fringe]

You are VERY confused. I have never said that I advocate private funding of embryonic stem cell research.

You are correct. I believe I was recalling the words of some other fundie.

[macrahanish #1]

Here's my question. If stem cell research is the panacea for all ills, why isn't corporate America ponying up the cash for what would prove to be a goldmine?

[Blackirish]

Instead of arguing the facts you throw out the DU card.

I'll chalk that up as a win for me.

[ohioWfan]

I ain't no fundy, dear. I'm an Evangelical Christian with a Biblically based value system.

You see, I KNOW what I believe.........I don't just make it up as I go along like you do.

But you obviously feel good when you make up the rules and play God by arbitrarily deciding who's important enough to live, and who's not, so far be it from me to stop you.

You're a good little leftist, you are....

Now, good night.

[jwalsh07]

You're a clown.

[Just A Nobody]

Bravo!!!