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IRS Warns Churches Against Campaigning
AP via Drudge ^
| Jul 18, 1:51 PM EDT
Posted on 07/18/2006 2:58:24 PM PDT by aceintx
Edited on 07/18/2006 3:04:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator.
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To: freedumb2003
the government can't directly coerce them into saying or not saying anything.
Very good.
That means the rules can not abridge freedom of speech.
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:06:36 PM PDT
by
Steve Van Doorn
(*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
To: Steve Van Doorn
Right. I think you don't understand (or didn't) my tax argument.
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:08:18 PM PDT
by
freedumb2003
(A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
To: Criminal Number 18F
There's a difference between telling your flock what Jesus said to the moneylenders, to Pilate, or to the faithful at the Sermon on the Mount, and telling your flock what candidate Jesus would oppose (today).
And what is that difference?
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:12:08 PM PDT
by
Steve Van Doorn
(*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
To: freedumb2003
It is a round about argument. You can not make rules that abridge the freedom of speach.
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:14:13 PM PDT
by
Steve Van Doorn
(*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
To: aceintx
"I went to sleep in America and woke up in the Soviet Union!"
Did you feel the same when Kennedy was being promoted by the RC's in 1960? This is the very reason for the First Amendment. IMHO
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:16:20 PM PDT
by
lawdude
(To Colmes - It ain't rocket surgery!)
To: Criminal Number 18F
It is rather funny that i am the only one defending the Church's freedom of speech rights when I don't even believe in god.
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:16:41 PM PDT
by
Steve Van Doorn
(*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
To: lawdude
87
posted on
07/18/2006 6:21:05 PM PDT
by
Steve Van Doorn
(*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
To: Diana in Wisconsin
Thanks for this very interesting ping Diana.
We have too many laws...enforce them or get them off the books.
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:43:06 PM PDT
by
Just A Nobody
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To: Sloth
This has NOTHING to do with free speech and EVERYTHING to do with tax exempt status.
Give up your tax exempt status, pay your taxes and say whatever you want.
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:46:07 PM PDT
by
Just A Nobody
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To: kjo
It is not the Law! It exists as a result of an Executive Order issued by President Lyndon Johnson to silence his political rivals. There is NO law prohibiting churches from speaking out!
90
posted on
07/18/2006 6:53:23 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
To: Steve Van Doorn
"what is the RC's?"
Roman Catholics.
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:54:44 PM PDT
by
lawdude
(To Colmes - It ain't rocket surgery!)
To: Steve Van Doorn
what is the RC's? Roman Catholic's
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:55:09 PM PDT
by
Just A Nobody
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To: Steve Van Doorn
what is the RC's? Roman Catholic's
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posted on
07/18/2006 6:55:09 PM PDT
by
Just A Nobody
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To: aceintx
Oh poor babies. They don't want to see anyone voting Republican so they figure they can oust them this way. I'm sure this will hold true for minority churches as well?
To: Sloth
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, aside from prohibited activities; or abridging the freedom of speechIf the US govt wants to revoke the tax-free status of a church that elects to exercise its 1st amendment rights, be that as it may. But to slap an additional 10% tax "excise" penalty to punish a church's right to free speech is a direct violation of the 1st amendment.
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posted on
07/18/2006 7:45:34 PM PDT
by
Gideon7
To: aceintx
Black Churches exempted of course...
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:56:32 PM PDT
by
Cinnamon
To: aceintx
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:59:12 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Colossians 4:6)
To: Voltage
They are not prohibiting the speech..merely threatening their tax exempt status. BIG difference.
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posted on
07/18/2006 10:00:37 PM PDT
by
MEG33
(GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES.)
To: freedumb2003
But for a Cardinal to tell people to break the law on supposed moral grounds is pure politics. Breaking away from the British crown was once a pulpit issue, as was abolition.
To: kjo
"You're wrong. If churches want to maintain their tax exceptions they need to stay out of politics. That's the law.
The difference now seems to be that for a change it's going to be enforced. This will cripple black churches if it's enforced evenly."
As inconvenient as it is for you kjo...you're wrong. The First Amendment was intended to keep the government out of our church not the church out of our government.
When the IRS is telling pastors that they can't tell the truth as they see it it's censorship whether it is a left wing, right wing or satanic church....PERIOD!
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posted on
07/18/2006 10:20:08 PM PDT
by
aceintx
(Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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